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My new Canton oil filter...
« on: April 18, 2014, 04:30:06 AM »
I don't want this to sound or come across as a sales pitch, just wanted to share something new I decided to go with on my engine.

After some lengthy discussions and talks with people much smarter than me, I came to the realization that pretty much all oil filters with by-passes in them go into a "float" mode when you have high oil pressure. In other words they pass unfiltered oil through to the engine, usually when it's cold. That much I always knew. But if you have high oil pressure, which I'm a fan of healthy oil pressure, then the filter will remain in that "float" mode and pass unfiltered oil even when it's warm. That would explain some pictures of trash in crank and rod journals that I've seen over the years, as debris can pass through the filter and even the pump, and make it to your bearings.

I didn't like that idea, so it came up about the Canton full flow oil filters which had no bypass, but could flow plenty of oil cold due to a much bigger filter area that can flow 45 gallons a minute. I decided to try one out. They have replaceable cartridges and are easily disassembled so you can check it easily for any metallics in the filter media.

Here's a couple shots of it....







Seems to be a pretty nice piece, quality made. It's a little on the heavy side....about double the weight of a stock filter due to it's thick aluminum housing. It's narrower but taller. It filters down to 8 micron which seems to be the consensus for minimum filtration for wear particles. And it's expensive! But I figured I had enough effort invested in everything that I didn't mind spending a comparably small amount to know it will have full filtered oil all the time. It's also a little too "bling" for my tastes ::). The only other billet piece on the whole car is the MSD distributor, but I guess I can live with that. At least it's Ford blue 8)
It also does not have an anti-drainback valve, but I don't believe that's even an issue with a vertical oil filter.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with regular oil filters. They've worked just fine for me for years. And I wouldn't put this on any old street car. It would be near impossible to justify the expense for a daily driver. I just wanted to try something different on my 427 that I saw was an extra step of insurance.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2014, 04:36:11 AM by cjshaker »
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2014, 05:18:16 AM »
Which part # is it? Where did you get it through? Garry(GJCAT427)

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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 05:29:10 AM »
Which part # is it? Where did you get it through? Garry(GJCAT427)

Garry, Cantons part # is 25-464. The replacement cartridges come in 6-paks and their # is 26-120. I just got it through Summit Racing.
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 06:41:52 AM »
Any issues with room  for it on a Mustang?
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2014, 07:02:37 AM »
That's a nice looking setup.  Back in the '80s I started running Fram filters that fit Ferrari engines because they did not have the bypass valve, but if I recall correctly they did have an anti-drainback valve.  They looked just like a Fram PH8A filter, but screwed right onto the FE adapter.  I should look into whether those are still available...
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2014, 09:54:36 AM »
Been using one for awhile.  Really like the idea of no bypass.  Looks like they changed the design a bit. 




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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2014, 10:47:38 AM »
That looks nice.
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2014, 11:18:45 AM »
Any issues with room  for it on a Mustang?

Ross, unfortunately I still don't have my engine yet ???  But since the Mustang filter fits nicely in between the strut rod and the engine, there shouldn't be any fitment issues.  Afrets pics look to confirm that. On trucks and cars with horizontal filter adapters I think it could be an issue.

Back in the '80s I started running Fram filters that fit Ferrari engines because they did not have the bypass valve, but if I recall correctly they did have an anti-drainback valve.

Jay, another reason I liked the idea of this filter is its high burst/balloon rating. I have ballooned a couple of regular filters, but don't think that will ever happen again. Then again the HP filters cured that problem also.
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2014, 12:18:55 PM »
I've run a Canton/Mecca in series with an Oberg for more than 30 years. The Oberg first catches all the larger stuff and is very easily cleaned. (I wash the screen with brake cleaner.) Used this way---the Oberg also has an over-pressure pop-off with a warning light---the Canton/Mecca lasts practically forever.

Whatever you spend on filters is cheap compared to losing an engine!

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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2014, 04:07:09 PM »
I have always ran dual remotes, bypass helps in Chicago's evviroment to prevent crushing the element. I have had issues with this before on a cold start. Filters are also rated at different bypass pressures. You have to look at a filters specifications for exact controlled pressures. I also have installed external bypasses on filter circuits for full flow systems that are adjustable. The bad part of a full flow filter is if it becomes plugged or restricted from heavy oil it forces your oil pump relief open, you will still register pressure but will have no flow. Just my thought on different scenarios.

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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2014, 01:23:40 AM »
The bad part of a full flow filter is if it becomes plugged or restricted from heavy oil it forces your oil pump relief open, you will still register pressure but will have no flow. Just my thought on different scenarios.

Can't say I totally agree with that statement. Since the pressure port is on the filtered side of the adapter, it is reading pressure as it goes into the engine, at least on Fords. So if your gauge is reading 70lbs, then you have 70lbs at the cam or crank depending on if it's a center oiler or sideoiler. I have been kicking around the idea of a pressure port at the back of the cam though, to read the last stage of oil pressure. That will be your lowest pressure point. Maybe my next engine.
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2014, 03:52:39 AM »
I was stating in a remote situation about pressure readings but either way if the filter is restricted you will show pressure it is just not circulating. The filter is on the pressure side so it will register pressure, just crush or blow completely off the adaptor.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2014, 11:30:58 AM »
Moderator's Note:  I've edited the post below to make it less inflammatory.  It does contain some excellent information - Jay

Most of you know I am in the filter business,  I don't have a horse in this race, I very rarely sell auto filters and am not here. I absolutely despise it when filters are "pitched" with the"well that sure sounds right to me" BS to laymen.. They are a disgrace and insult to the filter industry.

Pressure does not open nor hold open said relief valves - Pressure Differential does!   Pressure Differential, Delta Pressure or ΔP as it's called comes from flow you can have 150psi in a slow flowing oil system and that pressure relief is not going anywhere.  Bypass Valves open to protect the engines oil pump drive system, prevent collapse/rupture of the filter media and also to insure oil flow when the filter's media can not flow enough oil. Sure if you are forcing thick oil or to much oil through the filter the relief opens - it does that by design.

     Oil and  debris in the pan are sucked up by the pump with only a strainer screen to protect the pumps internals Then it is pumped through the filter. 

                 As to " the cartridges are easily disassembled so you can check it easily for any metallics in the filter media." , you still have a pleat pack that needs to be opened/spread out to search for debris/metal particles and those cartridges are a real bitch to open cleanly.   In regard to "It's narrower but taller." I presume your referring to the cartridge inside but again I'd like to know how many square inches of media that cartridge opens up to, however off hand I'd say sq. inches of media close to what's in a typical spin-on - that small OD large ID hurts.

 The "classic" BS in filter sales: " It filters down to 8 micron" = which by the way is the exact same filtration performance of a chain link fence if you find an 8 micron particle somewhere on it. The "Down To", "As Small As" and etc are examples of the Hogwash phrases that I hate and are frequently "pitched" at laymen.

"8 micron  seems to be the consensus for minimum filtration for wear particles." ....by who?? ... please tell me. I've have industrial customers that read their particle counts in their lube oil and hydraulic systems routinely as part of their jobs, that 8 micron is new to me and I can tell you to them also.... 

On the issue with a vertical oil filter anti-drainback missing that essentially makes the filter, the captured debris on the filters media and the oil inside the hoses, passages etc. free to flow backwards and also aids in requiring oil to be pumped back to refill the drained out areas on start-up.   Why in hell did all the designers of those engines spec anti-drainback?....

             Seriously the cartridge pictured is what is referred to in industry as an AN or Mil Spec filter they come in a wide variety of lengths, medias ranging from cellulose/paper, woven wire to microglass, they are available  in many properly rated micron ratings that are determined by testing according to procedures developed by the societies that use them. I'm betting the media in the pictured filter element shown is cellulose....

   My advice install a modern spin-on racing filter and filter mounting head. If you want finer filtration then the racing filter offers - dig through the Mobil1 oil filters and find the one that fits the racing head - I will say since most auto supply houses sells all Mobil 1s at the same price you are getting a 4-star bargain on the large size spin-ons. Or install a pair of everyday FL-1 sized filters in parallel.

BTW take a look at how lube/hyd/fuel Ind filters are really specified

http://www.purolator-facet.com/Portals/19/Documents/8300.pdf

http://www.purolator-facet.com/Markets/Industrial-Hydraulics/Elements

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ALUMINUM-BILLET-OIL-FILTER-MOUNT-NASCAR-NHRA-MODIFIED-LATE-MODEL-/261357857463?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item3cda246ab7&vxp=mtr

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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2014, 12:24:47 PM »
When this thread started I looked on you tube for more information on filters and came across this video. I think it will  add to what BB is saying or at least help with some oil filter definitions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiLhfAFhkvs
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Re: My new Canton oil filter...
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2014, 12:34:22 PM »
Gee, for a guy "without a horse in this race", that's gotta' be the longest, most hate-filled post I've ever seen here.....calling out poor CJShaker as a fool and worse. Whatever happened to having a civil discourse and a different opinion.....and respecting that opinion?

Jay, this is shameful IMHO. 

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