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Advise on a 352 upgrade
« on: December 22, 2013, 03:47:17 PM »
Hello.

I have now decided that i want to keep my 352 in my car and upgrade it to get a more (aggressive sound). Need advise from you guys of what to do with cam heads intake and etc. The last owner rebuilded the engine. Everything stock, bored 0.30 polished crank grinded rods. The 65 galaxie is in future gonna be painted white with 28 fred lorenzen. My goal is to make the 352 look like a modified engine from the sixties and sound closely to a nascar since its gonna be a 28 fred lorenzen. And the people are gonna scratch their heads when they see the galaxie roll upp with BIG 352 C.I.D letters on the hood :)

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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2013, 11:18:02 AM »
I haven't built my 352 yet but it's going have the SP2P and a pair of D2TE heads.

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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 11:51:14 AM »
First thing is to add headers for a more aggressive sounding exhaust.  I would also recommend going to an adjustable valvetrain and a solid cam; that will make the engine sound a lot meaner.  With only 352 cubes I'd go conservative on the cam duration; do you know the compression ratio of the engine?  The compression ratio will dictate the cam choice to a large extent. 

They probably used a Sidewinder intake or the medium riser 2X4 intake on the '65 cars, and either one would be a good choice for your project.  If you can find some factory 427 medium riser heads they would be truest to the original car, but any early '60s FE head would probably work fine.  If you are going to pull the heads you could easily just do a minor porting job on the heads that you've got and use those.

Hope that helps some - good luck on the project!
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 01:47:46 PM »
Hello.

I have now decided that i want to keep my 352 in my car and upgrade it to get a more (aggressive sound). Need advise from you guys of what to do with cam heads intake and etc. The last owner rebuilded the engine. Everything stock, bored 0.30 polished crank grinded rods. The 65 galaxie is in future gonna be painted white with 28 fred lorenzen. My goal is to make the 352 look like a modified engine from the sixties and sound closely to a nascar since its gonna be a 28 fred lorenzen. And the people are gonna scratch their heads when they see the galaxie roll upp with BIG 352 C.I.D letters on the hood :)

Reread, I was way off.

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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 05:29:38 PM »
Helps a lot. I am new on the fe so i gotta ask. what does the medium riser intake means ? Do you have an hi riser intake as well ? As for the head i was thinking of get another set off heads, i want to keep the original heads if i one they change my mind and it will be bone stock again. Are those 427 heads hard to come by ? Also, i have searched the web for "352" engine parts, and very often it just says 390,427 and not 352. Very confusing.
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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 05:45:58 PM »
After some search on the intake. The medium riser intake "Looks" a lot like the edelbrock performer intake, but the edel performer intake is hi riser ?
« Last Edit: December 23, 2013, 05:48:01 PM by Galaxie352 »
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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 11:06:29 PM »
You will not be able to use any MR, HR, or TP 427 head on the 352.  The exhaust valves will not clear the bore.  A C4AE-G or C6AE-R head will be your best bet.  You can go 1.600 on the exhaust valve, and CJ size (2.09) on the intake without issue.  I would use the PI aluminium manifold on a smaller cube FE.  The bigger manifolds will not respond well on the small engine.  .550 lift, and 230@ .050 cam on real tight centers (108) so it will "beat the ground" and still be okay at lower rpms.  Alot of gear and a stick shift, I hope.  Get the quench as tight as you can, and the chambers as small as you can, reasonably.
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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2013, 11:31:30 PM »
Here's a quick primer on the most common FE cylinder head styles.  Generally the low-riser, medium-riser, and high-riser names for FE engines refer to the style of the cylinder head, and the matching intake manifolds that went with those heads.  The original FEs from the late '50s and early 60s used a specific port size referred to as the low-riser port.  The low riser port was in production, in various forms, for the whole production run of FE engines.  The good versions are good performance cylinder heads; for example, the 428 Cobra Jet engine built from 1968 through 1970 used low riser cylinder heads.

For NASCAR and drag racing purposes, Ford provided a race-only head referred to as the high-riser in 1963 and 1964.  The ports were the same on the lower half as the low-riser ports, but the roofs of the ports were raised quite a bit to gain flow.  This required a different angle to the valve cover rail, and a different intake manifold.  So the factory high-riser manifolds had to be used with the factory high-riser heads.

In 1965 Ford changed its high performance version of the FE head to the medium riser.  This cylinder head had ports that were wider than the low riser port, but the roof of the ports was the same as the medium riser, not raised like a high riser.  The floor of the medium riser port was raised a little compared to the low-riser port, though.  The medium-riser was claimed to be a better flowing port than the high riser, and it was put in production cars, rather than just being sold over the counter like the high riser.  Factory 427 engines from 1965 through 1967 came with medium riser heads, and the matching medium riser manifolds. 

Most aftermarket performance cylinder heads are based on the Ford medium riser design; for example Edelbrock heads use medium riser port sizes.  Edelbrock Performer RPM and Victor intake manifolds are also based on medium riser port sizes.  So, even though these manifolds may be referred to as high riser manifolds, the important thing is that they use medium riser port sizes, and will fit medium riser heads.  Also, the medium riser intake manifolds will also fit low riser FE heads, although there will be a slight port mismatch.

When you see something that will work on a 390, 427, or 428 engine, in most cases it will also work on a 352 engine.  But Blair (Capt CJ) is certainly correct about the medium riser heads; the stock valves will hit the smaller bore of a 352.  So, you won't really be able to duplicate an old NASCAR engine perfectly, because if you bolt on the medium riser heads to make the engine appear correct, the valves won't work with the 352 bore.  Your 352 came with low riser ports, so any of the normal aftermarket intake manifolds will fit, as will any Ford low riser or medium riser intake manifold.  Both the Sidewinder intake and the 2X4 medium riser or tunnel wedge intakes will work on 352 heads, and again these would probably be correct for a NASCAR clone, but as Blair mentioned may not be the best performance option.  So, you have to decide whether you are more concerned with the engine's appearance or performance.

Hope the explanation helps - Jay
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2013, 06:40:32 AM »
Thanks, help a lot. I think i know what i would do with the heads and intake now. I will come back to you later when i know the compression ratio, maybe we can talk some more about camshafts.
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Re: Advise on a 352 upgrade
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 06:52:55 PM »
CaptCobrajet:

Can you link me a address to a cam with those specs you suggested ?
Robin
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