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A few old school builds....
« on: October 08, 2013, 07:41:55 AM »
Duplicate post from the other forum, but I didn't know how many people were just members here.

It's interesting to see some of the trends that come and go with customer builds.  It's almost like fashion....bell bottoms were in, out (thank goodness), back in again, back out, etc.  I see the same trends with engine builds....guys want big inch stroker builds, then the old factory stuff comes back in style. 

I enjoy the swing, sometimes doing the same build over and over gets boring and after 4-5 482-500 inch all aluminum engines in a row, a few old school builds are welcomed.

Here is a 427 S/O LR build that I did for Matt Moore, a forum member in the UK.  I think I posted the dyno results a while back, but I didn't post any pictures that I can remember.

This was an NOS 427 block, and we used a 391 crank that Adney cut for me.  The heads were ported C3 LR heads, and the LR 2x4 intake was modified as well.  Oliver 6.800" rods, Race-Tec pistons with .043/.043/3mm rings, and a Bullet solid flat tappet cam 255/263 @ .050", .640/.640" lift, 106 LSA on a 102 ICL.  Compression ratio was a little over 11:1.  The carbs were custom built by my carb guy, a pair of 600 cfm Holleys.  Even running factory adjustable rockers and a dual points distributor.  <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

This one made 510 hp @ 6000 and carried it all the way to 6500, only losing 5-6 hp there.  Torque was 511 lb-ft @ 4200.  The Stuska dyno that I use is a little on the conservative side and compared to other DTS and Superflow dynos, we usually see about 5% difference on peak hp results.












I'm currently working on four other old school pieces. 

1.  If you're ever around the Columbus, OH area, I would suggest stopping by Boss Cars in Gahanna.  It's pure pleasure for any Mustang fan.  Boss 302's, Boss 429's, GT350's, GT500's, you name it.  A forum member, Grant Hukle, is having them restore a GT500, and I ran up there to pick up his 428CJ to build.  It will be showroom-correct on the outside (down to the 78lb intake manifold), but is getting treated to a hydraulic roller and some other updated parts inside.

Just ordered some Ferrea valves for the heads and I will post some flow numbers on the heads with an updated valve job.  Will be dyno'ing the finished engine as well, so it will be cool to see some 428CJ numbers.

2.  Rick Bagley isn't a member here, but is a member on some of the Cobra forums.  He lives here in KY, about 35 minutes from me and has a 427 that I'm rebuilding for him.  He had a leaky intake gasket and while he was in the motor updating things, found out that he had a broken ring that was scuffing the cylinder walls pretty badly.  He took this time to completely freshen the engine up, with a new solid flat tappet cam from Bullet (240/245 @ .050", .620" lift, 108 LSA), new Diamond pistons, and new Scat rods. 





It will get prettier, I promise.

The top end is a set of Edelbrock heads and a Blue Thunder intake. 

3.  Next up is a new/old build for forum member Gary Veres.  Gary has a set of Tunnel Port heads that hit a pretty good lick....about 345 @ .600".  They're going on a new Pond cast iron block, 4.310" x 3.980" using a new forged RPM crank with BBC rod journals.  Running Lunati H-beam 6.800" rods, custom Diamond pistons, a custom Total Seal .043/.043/3mm ring package, a Bullet solid flat tappet cam, and a TP 2x4 intake with a set of our Quick Fuel 2x4 725cfm carbs.  We're going with some more modernized pieces on the top end....T&D rockers, MSD distributor, etc. 

I think I'm looking forward to this build the most...



4.  Lastly is an old 352 that I'm doing for myself.  I bought a complete running core from James Hunter, a forum member in WV.  Believe it or not, I'm going to dyno this puppy as it sits with all the factory parts on it.  Past that, I'm going to keep a tight lip....I've got some big plans for it using the factory stroke, C6AE-R heads, and some other goodies. 





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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 08:34:19 AM »
Very cool stuff Brent, and that 352 looks like it'll be a blast
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 08:46:50 AM »
I think so too.   Never built a 352, and certainly not with a big fatty solid roller cam.  :)  This one is going to serve several purposes and should be a lot of fun. 
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 12:26:36 PM »
I've got a bone stock 352 that came out of my '64 Galaxie when I bought it.  I've always been tempted to dyno it just for fun, but have never gotten around to it.  I'll be looking forward to your results with that, and also that tunnel port motor.  Tunnel ports are cool... 8)
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 01:23:27 PM »
Anyone care to guess what it will pull?  It's a '66 model, out of an F-100 if I understand correctly.  Haven't got it in hand yet, but it will get thrashed once I do.
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 01:44:51 PM »
2 barrel carb?  I'll say not over 200 horse.  66 passenger with 4 barrel was factory rated at 250.  I'll be watching for the before and after pulls with great curiosity.

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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 01:46:12 PM »
I gotta think that  if I was building a new Pond block, I wouldn`t be sticking a cheap RPM crank in it.
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 01:54:11 PM »
I bet that 352 2V will hit 220 hp with the log manifolds on the dyno.  Interesting builds.  Joe-JDC.

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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 02:13:03 PM »
Rory,

I've used quite a few RPM cranks.  Nothing wrong with the composition of them, they just often need some machine work to be perfect.   Last two RPM cranks that I bought for an FE were 4.375" and 3.980" stroke cranks.  Both of them needed turned .010"/.010", but I would trust them.  Just made 580 hp with one in a 482 inch engine....

I've heard of lots of Eagle cranks breaking....but I personally have not heard of any Scat or RPM cranks going south.
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2013, 03:58:36 PM »
I say.....205 hp on the dyno, crappy OEM logs, and approx. 275 lbs./ft.
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 04:03:51 PM »
I'm going to say 220 HP with that 2 barrel carb, log manifolds, stock distributor, etc.  But I really have no idea.  I should sneak mine onto the dyno first  ;D

Also FYI Robert Pond had an RPM crank go south on him on an SOHC he built last year.  I think he said it developed a crack on the dyno and the engine started vibrating.  He shut it off without damaging anything, and replaced it with a billet crank.  He was making about 860 HP with the RPM crank, though, so maybe that was the reason...
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 04:30:26 PM »
Very cool stuff indeed , look forward to some results posted for sure
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 05:01:03 PM »
Yeah, 860 hp at over 7000 rpm is quite a load.  I know that Robert uses a ton of the RPM 4.250 cranks and I think Blair uses their 4.375 cranks a lot.  I think we all have them machined before we use them.
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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 08:33:46 PM »
Brent,
Great FE eye candy!   For that 'lil 352 I'll go just under the factory rating of 220hp and guess 215. Gets me to thinking about possibilities for my original 352-2v equipped '63 Galaxie fastback.  I think Jay's right; the Galaxie needs a stroker...

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Re: A few old school builds....
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2013, 11:23:10 PM »
Very cool. I'm a little partial to the old school builds myself, partly for the nostalgia of it.