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« on: January 27, 2024, 01:21:46 AM »
First time I’ve used Cometic gaskets and it’s the first leak I’ve had in 9 engines. Fired up new 428 for break in and found water in the oil.
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2024, 01:40:22 AM »
I did not have any problems with mine but there are spots to check I can't remember the spots but I am sure my intake gaskets had to be trimmed it spots or they would not be sitting right I used MR gasket intake gaskets. 

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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2024, 07:05:19 AM »
What block, Mike?
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2024, 09:12:24 AM »
Mike, you aren`t using the cork end seals for the intake manifold, are you?
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2024, 10:46:27 AM »
Proper deck and head surfacing ? It for real makes a difference with MLS type gaskets.
If it's a standard type deck surface and you find it is the head gasket you can coat the gaskets with a thin layer of hylomar (or copper coat 🙄) and continue on.
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2024, 11:51:18 AM »
BBM block (new) Edlebrock heads (new) no cork on end seals. Block decked and heads machined.
Nothing obvious to me why it’s leaking yet.

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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2024, 12:49:23 PM »
Well that sucks... sorry to hear of your troubles. I have used Cometic's many times, never a leak. I have even re-used Cometic's several times on my own engine, no leaks. I usually put them on dry the first time, and use copper coat when re-using them again. I have used Hylamar before also, but it is hard to get a nice thin even film, and the spray tip clogs and is hard to use the second or third time. The copper coat covers nicely more like paint, seems to work just fine, that is what I use now.                                                                                                                I have built a few engines with BBM blocks, I remember someone having an issue with water leaking into the lifter bores. I pressure tested them before sending them to the machine shop. One even had some porosity showing in the lifter bores, but they didn't leak. I think one fix if they did leak was to install lifter bore bushings. I almost think you had that done on yours didn't you? If so that should rule that out. I think you are on the right track though, pressure test it and see where it is coming from. There is also the oil passages coming from the #2 and #4 cam journal, up to the decks for rocker oiling, that goes through the water jacket and can leak, usually on old pitted blocks, I can't imagine that being the case on a new block but you have to check everything I guess, one never knows where a pinhole can be hiding, where you can't see it...
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2024, 01:16:59 PM »
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2024, 01:31:16 PM »
I've had a lot of issues with porosity on BBM stuff.  You'll find it with a pressure test, but I doubt that it's a head/intake gasket issue.  I use Cometics all the time, never a leak. 
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2024, 02:57:33 PM »
FOUND! 
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2024, 04:00:48 PM »
Cometic gasket and BBM block.
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2024, 06:51:17 PM »
Never made any plugs like that.  Sounds like the plugs are more leak-prone than not using them.
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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2024, 07:46:55 PM »
Found out it’s a plug in the deck of the head to re-align the water passage opening with the Cometic gasket and BBM block.  When heads are milled the edge of the plugs threads were too close to the intake surface and developed a pin hole. Got instruction how to take care of it without pulling the head. Whew!

Not visualizing what you are describing Mike, any chance that you could post a photo or 2?
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1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
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1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2024, 07:51:28 PM »
"Found out it’s a plug in the deck of the head to re-align the water passage opening with the Cometic gasket and BBM block."
If these are all new parts, then why will everything not bolt together seamlessly.

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Re: Water in lifter valley
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2024, 07:59:40 PM »
The BBM block has some issues, too thin in the lifter bores when indexing and enlarging lifter bores for bushings. Steam hole locations in the deck that don’t align with gaskets and heads. Oil galley plug that are threaded too far.
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