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428/C6 no block plate?
« on: January 18, 2024, 05:25:46 AM »
Have a 428 with a C6. Starter went out, I had a mechanic put a new one in, new starter ate the flywheel. Now at different mechanic, been held up for weeks because new mechanic seems sure it should have a block plate and it doesn’t. He can’t find one that fits. I think it never had one. He thinks it has to have one or I could end up in the same spot. Please help. Literally been dealing with this for years and it has cost me thousands because my starter went out.
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2024, 06:24:49 AM »
your new mechanic is right.

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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2024, 06:30:12 AM »
The block plate started in the 1963 model year for all FE’s, and continued through the end of production, and it’s needed because it positively locates the starter. Prior to that the early bell housings had a provision to locate the starter. A 428 would have had one originally. The same C3AZ-7007-F block plate was used for both automatic & manual transmissions, and for both cars & pickups. There were running changes in the amount & location of clearance holes that were punched, and the location and style of the stiffening rib over the years, but any FE plate you find can be modified to work. For example around the 1968 model year Ford started using rear screw in oil galley plugs on the blocks more, and there were extra clearance holes added for those, so if you find a plate without them just drill the needed holes.

I’ll add, most FT big truck applications use a different block plate, due to the much larger flywheel and transmission bell housings they use.
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2024, 09:34:02 AM »
It looks like this. Two pieces.


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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2024, 09:38:05 AM »
I got a c6 block plate spare I don't have a spare inspection cover to go with it. I can post a photo later today

Only problem is I am in Australia I was hunting for one of these back when I swapped from 4 speed TL to c6 It was a real pain to find one then I ended up with 2.

There was some one here on this forum that offered me one but I found mine local from some friends.

Just let me know if you get stuck and can't find one.

Mine is same as the top one in tunnelwedges photo with oil plug holes and pressing around crank.

 
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2024, 12:41:57 PM »
Ok, so I think what must have happened is the guys that rebuilt my transmission left it out and that is causing the starter issues. So, now the hunt to find one (preferably on this continent). How do I determine which one I need?
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2024, 12:58:18 PM »
Should be the one shown with the holes for oil plugs if you buy a gearbox to get refreshed you often don't get or forget to get the blockplate that is what happened to me
make sure to get the inspection cover too.



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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2024, 01:25:10 PM »
I've got a bunch of extras. Free but shipping. Extra inspection plates as well.
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Your location & zipcode?
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2024, 01:30:55 PM »
LOL. Sent this link to the shop. Guy is looking at tunnel wedge’s photo and another mechanic says he has one. They are going to throw it in at no cost. No inspection cover, though. LMk how much you’d want for just the inspection plate, if you’d break up a set FERoadster and thanks again for the photo Tunnel!

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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2024, 02:26:20 PM »
428Marauder Not sure how handy you are but it is not really a small job to fit the blockplate gearbox converter and flexplate need to come off. Some one here should be able to give you some starter measurement's to check and make sure there is nothing else going on. Best to check all that when you have it apart and you can check as you put it back together. Or ask you mechanic to check for you.
 

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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2024, 11:16:21 PM »
Might be able to fit one (inspection cover) into a large flatrate box or a flatrate envelope. If not UPS'
Still no charge. Can ship Monday either USPS or UPS.
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2024, 10:11:36 AM »
    are your block pins in place- some pins were made to rotate to center trans. (offset pins) - need pins not just bolts also check depth of starter drive to flywheel for full drive engagement - john        old iron                 
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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2024, 11:02:32 AM »
428Marauder Not sure how handy you are but it is not really a small job to fit the blockplate gearbox converter and flexplate need to come off. Some one here should be able to give you some starter measurement's to check and make sure there is nothing else going on. Best to check all that when you have it apart and you can check as you put it back together. Or ask you mechanic to check for you.
 
I wonder, if you cut the center out so it would slip by the crank, you might be able to move the trans back past the dowel pins and slide it in there.....

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Re: 428/C6 no block plate?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2024, 11:10:55 AM »
428Marauder:
Please message me an address and I'll get one packaged up today. Will mail it Monday.
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