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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2024, 03:19:08 PM »
Yes, notices that and it makes me wonder when the picture was taken that they have a Boss 429 by then?

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2024, 01:32:05 PM »
It's been a pretty exciting few days on this project.  Our first stab at building the mold for the Calliope heads ended when we were not able to make up a good water jacket core from the Ford tooling; we figure that Ford had a machine that blew the sand into these cores, and the foundry we are at didn't have an equivalent machine.  Starting in January Dan and his brother Derek worked to pour some plastic resin into the Ford molds, to make plastic models of the water jacket cores.  These were then glued together into a model of the complete water jacket.  After this model was test fit into one of the drag molds that we made at the foundry, the model was 3D scanned and a file was created electronically.  This electronic model was then provided to the 3D sand printing place, and after a couple weeks Dan had some one piece, 3D printed sand water jacket cores. 

We were able to get into the foundry last Friday.  The water jacket core fit perfectly.  We also had the pattern guy at the foundry, because he was needed to cut the gating and the risers in the correct position so that the head would pour properly.  This was a bit of a shot in the dark, and we figured we had a 50/50 chance to get good castings out of the first pours, but even if the first ones were no good we would be able to modify the gating and riser system to make corrections.

The two pictures below show the drag mold with the gating cut into it, and also with the 3D printed water jacket core installed:






Here's a couple shots of the completed mold before the top was installed:






Starting at the foundry at 5 AM, it took us almost until noon to get the gating cut in the sand, the molds assembled, and two of the heads poured.  It took about 7 ladles of aluminum to fill the mold, which is a lot, but the foundry guys got it done and the pour went smoothly.  We left the foundry on Friday feeling hopeful about the results.

This morning was breakout.  Each mold probably used close to 1000 pounds of sand, and the sand is like a rock, so sledge hammers and impact hammers were needed to clear all the sand away from the castings.  Took probably 30 minutes or more to do the first one, but when we got the sand off initial inspection of the castings looked good!  Pictures of the raw castings are below:












Normally the foundry trims the gating and risers off the raw casting, to leave the "trimmed" casting, but Dan couldn't wait LOL!  He ran off to Menards to get a Sawzall and an electric impact and cut the gating and risers off himself.  This also gave us access to clear all the sand out of the ports and do a detailed inspection of the inside of the ports.  I was worried about this part because the port walls aren't that thick near the water jacket, and if the pour hadn't gone just right, we could see some casting voids in this area.  But to my surprise and relief, both castings looked excellent.  One of the castings had a minor porosity issue in the valve cover area, that can easily be welded; other than that, they are beautiful!  Here are some pictures of one of the trimmed castings:














The trimmed castings weigh 67 pounds!  I guess heads get a little heavy when the intake manifold is included in the head.  I think it is just super cool that no one has seen a casting like this since the Ford foundry guys in 1967!

Next steps on these castings are to have the foundry deburr and heat treat them to T6; then it's time for machining them.  It will be a while on this because we will need to design and build fixtures, then write the CNC programs and start the machining operations.  We have a strategy on this already, but still need to settle on valve seats, valve guides, etc.  Dan has found the guy with all the blueprints for this engine and has purchased them, so hopefully soon we will have blueprints to guide our CNC programming.  We are still a long ways away from having a running engine, but with the heads in process we have a pretty good start.  I will update this thread with new information as it becomes available - Jay
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2024, 01:54:39 PM »
To say that this undertaking, and the abilities necessary to execute it, are impressive is a dramatic understatement. This is the stuff of "car guy heaven".
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2024, 03:25:08 PM »
That casting looks really clean. The foundry must have some experienced guys for it to turn out that good on the first pour.
Using a CNC on those would make me a nervous wreck. One error in the coding would result in an expensive paper weight on an otherwise very nice part.
Good luck to Dan, Derek and you guys on this project.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2024, 04:36:18 PM »
You're right Doug, a machining error can happen on the first casting.  Happened on my RE and SE heads, happened on my first tunnel port head, and will probably happen on one of these.  Just the cost of getting a good program ironed out.  The good news is that very rarely will you make a paperweight out of one of these things.  Often mistakes can be welded or plugged, and if nothing else the head can be sectioned to make sure that the wall thickness of the ports is where we want it.  On my first tunnel port head I cut one half up in sections to check all those dimensions, then had seats and guides put in on the remaining half so that a valve job and flow testing could be done.  I would envision the same sort of thing with these heads, if there is some error in the machining program that makes them unusable on the engine.  Plus, more of these heads are coming...

The foundry does have some pretty experienced people, and they are all jacked up about this project.  So that is a help.  But the guy who cut the runners, gates, risers, designed the sprue, etc., is probably the guy who deserves the most credit.  There's a lot that goes into that, and his 40+ years of experience designing casting architecture really helps.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2024, 11:15:06 PM »
Super cool!  Glad it's working out so well  ;D
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2024, 07:17:22 AM »
I said this over on Fb, but congrats to both you guys for getting together and making this happen. It isnt like this is any small task , this is a huge undertaking and not for the faint of heart!

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2024, 07:42:07 AM »
Spectacular

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2024, 09:56:08 AM »
We were able to get into the foundry last Friday.........This morning was breakout.

Must have been a long weekend in waiting. Been there.

Normally the foundry trims the gating and risers off the raw casting, to leave the "trimmed" casting, but Dan couldn't wait LOL!  He ran off to Menards to get a Sawzall and an electric impact and cut the gating and risers off himself....... other than that, they are beautiful!

No more waiting.....I can relate!

The trimmed castings weigh 67 pounds!  I guess heads get a little heavy when the intake manifold is included in the head.


Not too bad considering the physical size of the head. I bet there were quite a few additional pounds in the feed/gating/risering system as well.

Next steps on these castings are to have the foundry deburr and heat treat them to T6; then it's time for machining them.  It will be a while on this because we will need to design and build fixtures, then write the CNC programs and start the machining operations.  We have a strategy on this already, but still need to settle on valve seats, valve guides, etc.

Fixturing for three or multi-axis machining?

Dan has found the guy with all the blueprints for this engine and has purchased them, so hopefully soon we will have blueprints to guide our CNC programming.  We are still a long ways away from having a running engine, but with the heads in process we have a pretty good start.  I will update this thread with new information as it becomes available - Jay

Having the source drawings is huge compared to what it would take to reverse engineer all the features and uncertainties that come along with it. Hopefully they were the final revision. -What a find.

Congrats on results and looking forward to future updates.

Best,
Kelly

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2024, 12:49:08 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2024, 03:29:44 PM »
AMAZING WORK JAY! so are these 3 valve or 4 valve heads?

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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2024, 04:39:53 PM »
They are 3 valve heads, the spark plug is positioned where the second exhaust valve would be.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2024, 09:41:57 AM »
A very cool project and I feel fortunate to be on this list where I get to observe the progress and technical details.   

I wonder when - not if for sure - we'll get to the level where we could 3D print cylinder heads in aluminum, then heat treat to the required level, then off to machining.  The equipment cost is going to preclude that for a while I'm sure.  My work has a small 3D metal printer with a build envelop of 125mm ^ 3 and the est. cost is around $500,000.   Could maybe print a cylinder head for a 110CC quad  ;D

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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2024, 10:05:41 AM »
A very cool project and I feel fortunate to be on this list where I get to observe the progress and technical details.   

I wonder when - not if for sure - we'll get to the level where we could 3D print cylinder heads in aluminum, then heat treat to the required level, then off to machining.  The equipment cost is going to preclude that for a while I'm sure.  My work has a small 3D metal printer with a build envelop of 125mm ^ 3 and the est. cost is around $500,000.   Could maybe print a cylinder head for a 110CC quad  ;D

Maybe heads for model airplane engines? R/C boat engines? LOL, but man this new technology ain't cheap now is it?
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2024, 04:04:16 PM »
This is the magazine that I have upstairs somewhere, articles on the G7-A, Honker II, Calliope etc. with great cutaways. I was lucky enough to start going to Watkins Glen in '65 with the USRRC, production and sedan races that morphed into the Can-Am and.Trans-Am, and went to Mosport for the Can-AM in 67, with the first orange McLaren M6As. Also still have the race programs that prove what cars ran where with who driving, including the Glen 6-Hour Enduro with the Howmet Turbines and such. Neither the G7-A or the Honker II did very well, the G7-A was grossly overweight for that class car, being made from a MKIV endurance car
Site would not let me upload the magazine cover with the G7-A