Author Topic: Composite Rockers  (Read 3046 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Heo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3287
    • View Profile
Composite Rockers
« on: December 14, 2023, 12:20:20 PM »
A friend sent me a note about "Forged" Composite rockers from a company
by the name of AWA
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=804358958369462&set=a.488848879920473



The defenition of a Gentleman, is a man that can play the accordion.But dont do it

GerryP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 568
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2023, 01:04:45 PM »
No reason it wouldn't work.  As long as there is engineering behind it and it has had some stress analysis.  But for my money, it's hard to beat the Crane ductile iron rocker.  Simple as an anvil and just as strong.  Too bad they don't make them anymore.

machoneman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3853
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2023, 01:56:09 PM »
IIRC, long ago we put Norris (?) ductile iron rockers on his 327 SBC in a 1969 'Vette. Nice looking pieces and they were indestructible. I wonder today if some other firm bought them out.
Bob Maag

MeanGene

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 450
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2023, 02:25:34 PM »
The Isky rockers are also pretty much indestructable, and have a hardened tip

e philpott

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 923
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2023, 02:36:45 PM »
That rocker won some kind of a award at the PRI . supposed to be lighter and stronger than anything currently available

Rory428

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1006
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2023, 06:30:36 PM »
The Isky rockers are also pretty much indestructable, and have a hardened tip

Yeah, I really like the iron FE rockers, I have had a few sets, ran them on the Fairmont for years, and currently have a set of Iskys (with POP stands and end supports), on my 59s 428. Only problem is at higher valve lifts, a roller tip won`t tend to push against the valve guides so much.
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

Barry_R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1915
    • View Profile
    • Survival Motorsports
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2023, 12:15:09 PM »
A solution looking for a problem...

katink

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 11
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2023, 08:09:44 PM »
Barry R is on to something here. Composite EVERYTHING. Nope.

shady

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1003
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2023, 02:41:24 PM »
everybody said that about intakes 20 years ago but try and find an OEM that isn't. Time will tell.
What goes fast doesn't go fast long'
What goes fast takes your money with it.
So I'm slow & broke, what went wrong?
2021 FERR cool FE Winner
2022 FERR cool FE Winner
2023 FERR cool FE Winner

1968galaxie

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 311
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2023, 06:03:23 PM »
A composite intake manifold does not have near the same loading/stress levels that a rocker arm, push rod, or connecting rod experience. Big difference.

e philpott

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 923
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 09:15:26 AM »
The big difference is that these have already been tested for strength so that part is a done deal , out in the field testing is next I assume

1968galaxie

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 311
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2023, 01:09:12 PM »
These AWA Composite parts have been around before 2018!
How many of these race parts have you seen successfully used?
Does NASCAR use these parts? F1? INDYCar?
They have nearly unlimited budgets.
For any type of street strip performance these parts are a solution for a problem that does not exist. (As Barry correctly said)

e philpott

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 923
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2023, 08:11:11 AM »
I'm not for or against , the article said stronger and lighter than any other rocker system so I'm sure if rules allow someone will start playing with them at some point

cammerfe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1659
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2023, 01:19:46 PM »
Last I knew, Roush was using his own design and manufacture rocker arms in NASCAR. I would suppose others in NASCAR do, as well. I don't believe there's much call for rocker arms in F1, and other venues which use a 4-cam design. MOST designs place the cam lobes directly over the valve and use a bucket over the spring to hold shims to achieve desired lash.

There have been real advances in the use of carbon fiber for such things as connecting rods within the last couple of years. It's necessary to re-orient the layout of the strands to get strength in some complex highly-loaded areas. Rockers are another focused-on area of experimentation.

(It's an area I'm researching.)

KS

Mark Bliss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 69
    • View Profile
Re: Composite Rockers
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2023, 06:26:43 PM »
Interesting, (but I am not Facebook subscriber, and didn't pursue further research.)
 
I tend to agree that unless you really need stronger/lighter...
It would be far more interesting to me if it was about an FE application, strong and light enough, and...
Economical and readily available.

For the applications that composite part is likely marketed for, there is an abundance of options that work pretty well.