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Royce

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418 FE for GT40
« on: November 21, 2023, 04:48:38 PM »
Just got back from Jay's dyno running the 418 I assembled for the GT40 replica I am building.

Thanks to Brent for helping me select and procure the components and sciencing out the cam. I wanted a pump gas engine that was fairly docile, easy on the stock valve train. rpm to about 5500 make 425 to 450 horse and a lot of torque.

360 105 block .030
428 1U crank
Scat FE rods
Diamond pistons
10.25 compression
Total seal rings
Morel hydraulic lifters
Comp 3/8 push rods 7.70
Lykins spec'd Comp Hyd roller. (Cam card attached)
Edlebrock heads from Jay's Car Craft engine,  unported
Rocker Arms Unlimited stock rockers with end stands
Comp 914 springs
Performer RPM knockoff intake manifold ported by Joe Craine
800 Holley double pumper


We made a total of 13 dyno pulls, ran at different rpm ranges, we did a timing loop, and tested 3 carb spacers

The best run was what I call a hero pull which is cold water and hot oil that netted 439.5 hp and 497 torque. Power numbers under more normal dyno conditions were 433.1 @ 5600 and 490.6@3700.  We made one pull from 3000 to 6100 just to see where the power dropped off and to get a complete profile of the power curve. As you can see in the graph, it took a dive at 6000. I think this was loss of valve train control.  I purposely went with a modest spring to lessen stress on the rocker assembly . Since this engine will never see that rpm things will be just fine. I did not set out to fine tune the engine to extract the last few horsepower  The carb was slightly rich but we left it alone.. I mainly wanted to see what the engine combination would do, check for leaks and any mechanical gremlins. No need to flog it further.

Comments:  I am quite surprised by the performance of what i would normally consider a tiny cam.. Brent and I discussed my goals and I went with his recommendation even though I would have dialed in more intake duration.. Kudos to Brent  he knows his stuff..
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1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

Stangman

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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2023, 11:10:22 PM »
Nice Royce let us know if you see Ken Miles out there

Royce

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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2023, 08:16:40 AM »
I would sure welcome him into my shop to help assemble the darn thing
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2023, 09:11:53 PM »
Neat build.  That camshaft should idle like a stock CJ.  How did the intake manifold fit the block and heads?  Joe-JDC
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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2023, 06:39:01 AM »
I looked at doing a GT-40 build before I ended up doing a Cobra.  The problems with sourcing a transaxle that could survive behind a big block scared me off.  What are you using, Royce?

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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2023, 08:31:48 AM »
I used a transaxle from a Porsche 930 turbo. They supposedly can take the torque
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 418 FE for GT40
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2023, 08:35:14 AM »
Joe the Manifold fit nicely.. The stock bolts will not work as the bosses on the manifold are not as tall as stock..  Surprisingly that small cam has some lope to it.. It needs about 18 degrees of advance and 900 rpm for a steady idle
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7