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511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« on: October 03, 2023, 07:07:13 AM »
Unless I've missed something, I haven't seen many builds being documented with Jay's cylinder heads.  I thought I would throw this out there, as I have a build in progress, and it may generate some dialogue. 

This has been a painful build in terms of wait times.  Jay got me the heads, intake adapter, and rocker arms fairly quickly, but up until a few weeks ago, I had been waiting on the crankshaft for about 9 months.   It's finally starting to come together.

The engine is 511 cubic inches, using a 4.375" bore and a 4.250" stroke.   Block is a Shelby aluminum block, that has been honed with torque plates, sleeves set and decks squared up, mains align honed, and has had .904" bronze lifter bore bushings installed. 





Bryant made the crankshaft for me, as the customer requested a billet crankshaft.  It was REM polished, which produces an almost mirror finish on all the journals, counterweights, etc.  By the time it was all said and done, this ended up being a $5700 crankshaft. 





The rods are Callies Ultra I-Beams, in 6.800" length. 



Pistons are custom Diamond pieces.  This will be a dry sump engine, so we are running vertical gas ports and we're using DLC coated Trend wrist pins with custom pin clearance. 











There's about $18000 in this picture.....



I worked out a solid roller lobe that would be fairly easy on the valvetrain, but would also get me the lift I need to take advantage of the heads.  This was made on a special round lobe core, in order to get the durations we need, the long LSA, and the .820" gross lift. 

I'm using BAM pressure fed lifters, with a .904" diameter for a little extra valve action, stability, and strength.  They have an offset pushrod cup on the intake lifter, which gives us a little better pushrod angle with Jay's heads. 

Speaking of the heads....

These are a pair of Jay's castings that have been ported.  I ordered some custom Ferrea titanium valves and even with a 2.300" valve head diameter and a much longer length than standard FE stuff, we are still under 96 grams on the weight.  The exhaust valve weighs 74 grams.  Both feature a bead lock groove and hardened tips. 



The valve springs are Manley NexTeks and we are using Manley spring locators, titanium retainers, and valve locks. 

The flow numbers for the heads are as follows:

.100 80/54
.200 165/114
.300 245/174
.400 310/213
.500 356/240
.600 390/257
.700 415/268
.800 430/275

With the flat valve faces, the chambers measure about 61cc's.   This helps out tremendously on having pistons made, as these pistons came up at 32cc dish, aiming for ~11:1 compression.  This is a "street engine", so we didn't want to get carried away with compression.

We had initially given Diamond a copy of Jay's cylinder head solid models so that they could make pistons accordingly.  Upon piston/valve clearance checks, I found that they didn't stick the valve relief eyebrows in the right spot.  The valves get pretty close over the quench "rim" of the piston but we still have adequate piston/valve clearance, so I didn't modify them.  I didn't want to lose the compression, nor did I want to wait on Diamond to make new ones or modify these.  As parts are now trickling in, I want to keep the momentum up.   So, if any of you guys decide to order pistons in the future from Diamond to work with Jay's heads, you may want to keep that info in your back pocket.

I have oil system parts inbound from Aviaid.  Not too fond of their oil pans, they usually require a lot of modifications, but I absolutely love their dry sump pumps.   They will pull 15 inches of vacuum very easily. 

We will be using Jay's intake adapter, along with his cross-ram EFI setup.  Plan is to send the engine to Jay for wiring and EFI fitment, then he will dyno at his place.  Plans can change and if I can talk Jay into sending me a 2x4 or 1x4 carbureted intake, I may just spin it up here first. 

Did a lot of valvetrain mock-up over the weekend.  I usually spend a few hours on getting geometry correct.  I found that the rocker mounting bar needs to be raised up about .120" in order to get the pattern right over the valve stem and I verified this with some mid-lift geometry checks.  I keep a plethora of pushrods around, so I was also able to check out some pushrod/lifter/rocker arm clearance checks. 







Not a bad little pattern at all, considering we're sitting at about .800" lift here.





Making progress.....have head gaskets and other parts on the way, so hope to show more later this week.
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2023, 07:41:16 AM »
Great work and very nice stuff Brent and Jay!

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2023, 08:57:14 AM »
That is a really nice build.
Looking forward for the dyno numbers for the street engine.
Be curious about it with 11-1 compression.
I will order one when I win the lottery.
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2023, 09:21:38 AM »
Fancy ........ Nice work Brent.

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2023, 11:37:30 AM »
Lots of nice parts there and the accompanying attention to detail of course.
What is the width of those intake ports? I realize it’s an apples to oranges comparison to Ford heads.
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2023, 11:58:59 AM »
Thanks for the build post Brent. Been waiting for a few of these to pop up. My set of heads should be available in a few weeks and I'll get my own thread going.
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2023, 12:02:43 PM »
That Crankshaft is so purdy it needs a clear oil pan

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2023, 01:30:21 PM »
Looking good Brent!
Nice to see a high $ FE build.
The components look fantastic.
I assume solid roller cam?

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2023, 05:58:22 PM »
Lots of nice parts there and the accompanying attention to detail of course.
What is the width of those intake ports? I realize it’s an apples to oranges comparison to Ford heads.

1.550-1.560".
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2023, 10:27:54 PM »
Nice attention to detail. I saw the build.

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2023, 11:01:58 PM »
Is it too early to guess horsepower ?

I say 425... at 3000 .... and considerably more as the RPM goes up !

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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2023, 04:44:17 AM »
Is it too early to guess horsepower ?

I say 425... at 3000 .... and considerably more as the RPM goes up !

I think it would be a decent time to start estimating.  I have two builds going on with Jay's heads and the only real data I have is from his dyno mule.   

If we compare this engine to his, we have:

*Same displacement.
*~15cfm more flow on the heads with this engine.
*Dry sump on this engine.
*Crossram EFI intake on this engine.
*11:1 compression on this engine compared to 13:1 on Jay's
*Added a little more duration split and lift on this cam as opposed to Jay's. 

Pros for making horsepower:  dry sump will add power, 15cfm more head will add power, camshaft tweaks should add power. 

Cons for making horsepower:  11:1 vs 13:1 will suck power away, crossram EFI will take power away. 

So, I'll just throw my hands up and say I don't really have a good feel on where it will go on power.  Any data is good data though, so we shall find out. 
« Last Edit: October 04, 2023, 04:45:48 AM by blykins »
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2023, 07:50:31 AM »
need sheet metal tunnel ram with  (2) 1250 CFM dominators and 15 to 1 compression
it is hard to balance your check book with your testoserone level
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2023, 11:10:32 AM »
So, with the engine all together, $35,000?
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Re: 511ci FE w/ FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2023, 12:36:04 PM »
So, with the engine all together, $35,000?

My part of the build is probably that.  Jay supplied a lot of the parts and was paid directly. 

There was nothing cheap about any part of this build.  Engine block was $8000, crank was $5700, rods were about $2400, pistons/pins/rings were ~$2000, it just keeps going.  Even when you look at the dry sump kit, it's $2800-3000 for most of it, but you end up spending about $500-600 just on nice AN fittings and hoses.   Adds up quick.
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