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Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« on: September 17, 2022, 11:00:59 AM »
So I'm looking to get back to Drag Week, hopefully next year, and want to race in the Street Race BB/NA class.  This class does not allow body modifications, and suspension mods have to be bolt on replacements that attach to the factory mounting points on the chassis.  The class also has a 3200 pound minimum weight with driver, and an ET limit of 8.50 or slower.

I want to go with a wedge engine that has my cylinder head package on it, and I want to be competitive.  That means I need to hit or be very close to the minimum 3200 pound weight.  Especially in light of my own ~240 pound weight, no way I can get my Mach 1 close to the minimum.  Not sure I'd want to strip out the stock interior and do other lightening tricks on that car anyway.  My Galaxie and my Shelby clone both have modifications that would prevent them from running in the class.  So, if I'm going to do this, I need a new race car  ;D ;D  The wife may not be pleased, but oh well...

A Fox body Mustang is an obvious choice, but I just don't want to be like everybody else.  At the FERR, I was talking to Rory McNeil and he suggested a 78-83 Fairmont or Mercury Zephyr, which is also a Fox body platform.  They are kind of plain Jane and boxy, but they are light, something like 2700-2800 pounds curb weight.  So with some work I think I could get one ready to race right at the 3200 pound limit.  They also have that trunk overhang, that the Mustangs don't, which should make it easier to hook the car with the smaller tires that will fit inside the stock rear wheel opening.  The cars are a little difficult to find, apparently the LS crowd is snapping them up, but they made a lot of them so I think I could probably find one if I looked hard enough.

My problem with these cars is that I don't know anything about them.  So if anyone could help with the following questions I'd appreciate it.  Most of these questions are just about where to source the components that I need:

- Is one year in that 78-83 model run preferable from a racing standpoint?  I know the 2 door sedans are probably lightest, but I'm leaning towards a 2 door Futura.

- I'd be looking at a tubular K member to save some weight, and run aftermarket front suspension components.  I've looked at quite a few K members online, but haven't seen any that are set up for an FE.  Is there such a thing?  If not, can one for a small block Ford be modified to work?

- I would plan to run subframe connectors along with a full cage.  All the subframe connectors I've come across are for Mustangs, which are too short to fit a Fairmont.  Does anyone know of a source for Fairmont subframe connectors, or do I have to fabricate those?

- How about fiberglass hoods and bumpers for those cars (which are legal in the class), are they available?

- Where can I get a 9" rear end housing that has the proper suspension attachment brackets already welded on?  I don't want to try that myself on this rear suspension, and all the rear ends I've seen online are complete units.  I prefer Mark Williams axles and their aluminum case, and I happen to have a case already, so I don't want to buy a complete rear end.

- Is there a preferred source for the front suspension components, given a drag race application?

- The class allows minor welding to the chassis for strengthening purposes.  Are there some points on the chassis that could or should be reinforced for a drag application?  Perhaps around the factory rear suspension arm mounting points?

I'm sure more questions will come up.  Thanks in advance for any info - Jay


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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2022, 11:26:33 AM »
My vote with your money would be an old Falcon or Fairlane.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2022, 12:20:46 PM »
Those cars, fitted with the full cage and an FE with trans and 9", won't make the minimum weight for the class.  I was looking at a Maverick too, but from the Drag Week rules it's not clear that you can cut the shock towers.  I would much rather run a 60s car, but they are just not a good fit with the rules.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2022, 12:21:36 PM »
Front K member should be the same, coil over struts 90/10, Eibach drag launch springs, Ford Motorsports has/had a 9" housing that bolts in with the proper ears for control arms,(I have a new one if you can't find one), and Canton makes a FE oil pan to fit the K member.  It is not a great pan, but it will work.  Modern Driveline has rear end housings in just about any width you need. 

Have you considered a 1999-2004 Mustang?  Much more aerodynamic and lots better brakes, body integrity, and looks cool, easier to find in decent shape?  Joe-JDC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2022, 12:30:08 PM »
Thanks Joe, that's helpful.  2000 Mustangs have curb weights in the 3000-3500 pound range.  Too heavy...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2022, 12:33:58 PM »
How about an '83-'88 Thunderbird? Very aero, lots of rear overhang, plenty of room inside. Classic Glidden style.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2022, 12:39:05 PM »
I looked at those, too heavy again...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2022, 12:44:51 PM »
V-6 cars without all the AC, PS, Auto, rear seats, electronics, can be gotten down well below 3000 lbs.  Fiberglass hoods, aluminum drive shafts, lightweight wheels, aluminum radiators, are available.  The V-6 cars are in good shape because most folks that owned them took care of them.  Local racers have had great success with them due to great wheel well clearance in rear, and body shapes.  If you strip out everything not needed, and add light weight disc brakes, I am sure you will be surprised how light they can be gotten down to.  Joe-JDC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2022, 01:09:55 PM »
Well, staying within the rules (which, for example, requires maintaining all safety glass, the stock dash structure, all sheet metal except hood and bumpers, etc.), the car would have to be 2950 pounds without me, and with a full cage, FE and trans, 9", all safety equipment, full interior, etc.  I'm not convinced that's possible. 
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   


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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2022, 01:46:21 PM »
JAY,i know the fairlanes and cyclones are too heavy,but i believe the early falcons are a few hundred pounds lighter,like the chevy2 and dart,they are the lightest cars that might work for that class. 1963 falcon curb weight is 2304 pounds
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2022, 01:58:46 PM »
I think he is saying the early Falcons are too light. A friend of mine may still have a 69 Falcon 2 door that was a pretty decent car. The curb weight on them are supposedly in the 2800 # range.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2022, 02:48:38 PM »
This thread is not about picking a car.  It is about figuring out the components and strategy to use with a Fox body car.  The early cars all have problems that will keep me from using them.  Any advice on the questions I originally posted??
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2022, 03:24:42 PM »
The only k member I have used is Anthony Jones AJE. He does have motor mounts for an FE. I have not used it with an FE. It is front steer, so I assume one needs a rear sump. The area where the rear control arms attach to the body will definitely need some strengthening.  We used  a product called "battle boxes" to reinforce the area. ( maybe the company are still around )  Other than that we stayed with the 8.8 and used UPR control arms. A good roll cage, to run 8.50 , and you should be good, and IMO hit your weight target.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2022, 03:33:02 PM »
That AJE K member looks like the ticket.  Thanks!
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2022, 03:35:38 PM »
Another deal was we did buy a 9 inch rear from Spraker Racing, in Charlotte  I believe. Just the housing.  It is installed in the 1984 mustang. Fit nicely, good welding.

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2022, 03:42:36 PM »
like the idea of a fox body.theres a ton of parts available for them every where,bolt in 9 inch,etc.
not to argue about shock towers,but it doesnt say you cant notch them for engine clearance on early mustangs.

CHASSIS
•Must use the complete stock frame or subframe(s) from bumper to bumper.
•Subframe connectors, tubular transmission crossmembers, and bolt-in tubular front crossmembers are allowed.
•Rear framerails may be notched and boxed for tire clearance but must be in the stock location, must remain structural as intended by the OE manufacturer, and may not be supported or reinforced by non-original methods (though a custom upper- shock crossmember that spans from framerail to framerail is allowed). •May not use a rollcage design that includes the use of a Funny Car–type protective structure around the driver.
•Engine may not be set back past the stock firewall location.
FRONT SUSPENSION
•The front suspension may use aftermarket components, but they must be commonly available from a recognized manufacturer and they must bolt in place on the stock frame. Minor welding as instructed by the parts manufacturer is allowed. Variances may be allowed for homebuilt components if they are deemed by the race director to meet the spirit of the rules; email detailed photos to DragWeek@MotorTrend.com for pre- event verification.
•Non-stock strut conversions are prohibited.
•Aftermarket or fabricated front suspensions or front clips that replace the stock framerails forward of the firewall are prohibited.
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2022/01/2022-2024-HRDW-Final-Draft.pdf

one thing that doesnt seem fair,is that small blocks are limited to 430,and have to weigh the same as a 600 plus big block.

solid car,no sunroof/t-tops,has nice 4130 cage already done,stock front and rear susp.no rust anywhere,thru the floor subframe connecters.a great start to a really nice 4 eyed fox.


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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2022, 04:18:49 PM »
I have a genuine, dead stock, 1988 5.0 Fox bodied fastback I bought brand new. Never crashed, raced, rusted, etc.

So, if you need any measurements I can take on a running Mustang, just ask!
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2022, 04:39:45 PM »
like the idea of a fox body.theres a ton of parts available for them every where,bolt in 9 inch,etc.
not to argue about shock towers,but it doesnt say you cant notch them for engine clearance on early mustangs.

CHASSIS
•Must use the complete stock frame or subframe(s) from bumper to bumper.


I sent them an email about that for clarification.  Got no response.  I would not want to show up at the event and be told I couldn't run in that class.  I'd be safe in a 67-70 Mustang or 66-69 Fairlane, but again the weight would be an issue.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2022, 08:10:57 PM »
Would be a let down indeed to build a car an told ya cant run that class

What block, bore, stroke, C.I. ... are ya looking to build if I may ask ??

I read the posts twice but may have missed the above



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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2022, 08:14:32 AM »
Your first response sounded like you would prefer to run a "60's car". I apologize for trying to help, won't do it again....

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2022, 09:37:03 AM »
Would be a let down indeed to build a car an told ya cant run that class

What block, bore, stroke, C.I. ... are ya looking to build if I may ask ??

I have a 4.39" bore Shelby block with a 4.375" stroke billet crank that I would probably run, around 530".  Would probably go with my raised exhaust port heads, port them for maximum flow, build some step headers to fit the chassis, and run a 2X4 EFI setup.  I'm also inclined to go with a 6R80 transmission, since I can probably fit that in the car without going over the minimum weight.  Shooting for 1000+ HP to run as close to 8.50 as I can.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2022, 10:22:17 AM »
Jay - I think a Glidden-style Futura would be da bomb!  Sounds like a fun combo you're cooking up. 
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2022, 10:52:52 AM »
just trying to help with the falcon info,i guess i got off the original post.sorry
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2022, 03:08:56 PM »
If you emailed recently, I'm sure they are preoccupied with this years event, which starts today. Power to weight ratio should get you to the 8.50 limit. You'd also be running against Scott Miller, provided he attended, in a field entirely dominated by GM's. And nobody has really pushed the 8.50 limit, that I'm aware of.

If no fiberglass bumpers are to be had, you can shave a lot of weight by removing the heavy steel backing and ditching the "crash" mounts. It wouldn't be hard to fab some lightweight brackets and just keep the aluminum front.

Wheel tubs and frame notching are also allowed, so a good size tire would fit, keeping within the 11.5" limit.

Good choice on the car and class. Good luck.
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2022, 04:31:11 PM »
Jay, when I built my FE powered Fairmont back in the mid 80s, there were no aftermarket K members available, so we did some minor trimming on the factory K member, and it worked fine for 30 years, but now that I have a tubular K member, it would make building headers some much easier, not to mention the decent weight savings. On my car, since it tends to wheelstand pretty good, I retained the (heavy) original lower control arms with factory style coil springs. I just don`t trust the thin strut towers to survive such forces, like dropping the nose down from a 2 or 3 foot wheelstand for very long. Concerning bumpers and hoods, for Fairlmonts, they are available, but to be honest, I doubt they save all that much weight. The bumpers themselves are aluminum, once you remove the steel reinforcement bracing, and the energy absorbing "shock absorbers", my bumpers were about 5 pounds each. My car has the "bare" bumpers with no bumper guards or rub strips. The hood is a pretty light item from the factory, years ago I bought a fiberglass hood, and never used it, as the weight difference was only 7 pounds less than the stock hood. The stock hood uses hinges with no springs,and a prop rod, and other than when the car was painted over 30 years ago, the hood has never been removed, as it can open straight up, so not in the way during engine Re & Res. The Fairmont/Zephyr have 5" longer wheelbase, so Fox Mustang subframe connectors are too short, but personally, I always have prefered 2x3" subframe connectors that run thru the floorpan , and are welded in. The Fox body cars have much more space between the strut towers than a 66-69 Fairlane or 67-70 Mustang, which allows the headers to come out of the heads without needing an immediate  bend, like the shock tower cars. Much more room for header installation , spark plug and valve cover access, etc. The Fox also uses a rear sump oil pan, which is better for drag racing, and so much F&R suspension availability  to make it work. My 85 Mustang had all bolt in factory replacement rear suspension, and went mid 1.3 second 60 foot times, running 10.3-10.4 ET  1/4 mile times on 9" tires weighing 3100 pounds with a mild 331 SB Ford (pump gas, flat tappet cam, "all motor"), with all the factory glass, complete full stock interior, and all factory steel body components, stock gas tank etc. Jay, would you plan on using the factory style heads, or the heads with very different exhaust configuration? If standard configuration is used, I have 2 pairs of custom headers from my Fairmont, as well as the oil pan, and motor plates and a mid mount for the FE that are just sitting in my garage......
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2022, 05:04:07 PM »
Thanks for the comments, guys.  I do plan to take advantage of the tubular K member to make header fabrication easier, and I want to use the raised exhaust port version of my heads because there is more room in the Fairmont engine compartment than in a standard shock tower car, even if trimming the shock towers is allowed. 

Thanks for the info on weights, I had no idea that the factory hoods and bumpers were so light.  Guess I shouldn't be too worried about those parts...

On the tire size, I'm mostly concerned with the factory rear wheel opening, which is not allowed to be trimmed or stretched according to the rules.  I think this is going to limit me to a 28" tall tire, which is shorter than I'd prefer, but the big overhang in the back should help with the hook.

I'll be watching Drag Week this week to see how fast the cars go.  I believe that at least one car has been in the 8s in the past in this class, but I'd really like to push the 8.50 limit with my car.  We'll see if that is possible...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2022, 05:37:22 PM »
In your search for a Fox body don't forget the Mercury Capri.  :)

The platform is what my generation had and raced in High school. So have made a comeback recently. As you're discovering they are getting picked up quick. I'll reach out to some of my car folks to see if they have a hook up on something.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2022, 10:27:44 AM »
>I think he is saying the early Falcons are too light. A friend of mine may still have a 69 Falcon 2 door that was a pretty decent car. The curb weight on them are supposedly in the 2800 # range.

I can tell you that's BS. "Published" curb weights in my experience are bogus.  I have a 67 4 door.  Curb weight with fiberglass hood, steel bumpers, Maveric buckets, stock rear seats and 8 point bar, iron head 351C was 3350 lbs without driver.  Current config is an iron 351C, glass hood and front bumper, 8 point, fiberglass racing seats, no rear seat (that's like 50 lbs or so), fuel cell, everything under the dash gone, all steel doors, all factory glass - 3050 lbs, no driver.  I'm not sure it'd hit 2800 if I took all the doors off the car LOL.  And you'd want a 67 up because they use the same engine compartment as a Fairlane, so the FE would fit.  But you're still stuck with rear steer and front sump unless you really cut up the front suspension. So not my idea of a great setup to run 8.50s.

Two door Fairmont with the AJE stuff would be my first pick.  Seems anybody - Currie, etc - could supply the rear housing in the configuration needed.  2x2, 1x3, etc tubing would be my thought for subframe connectors.  The ones on my Falcon are 2x2 11 ga tube, DIY.  I'd also call S&W - they may not advertise some, but chances they may have a print in the drawer for some.  They have cages and bars

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2022, 11:21:11 AM »
Fairemount would be my pick too , seen a decent stock one for sale recently on facebook or Craigs list

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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2022, 07:14:12 PM »
in regards to the fox body mustang or fairmont,would the max tire 11.5 tread require a mini tub done to fit?

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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2022, 07:59:09 PM »
I think for sure it would, but the class rules allow for frame notching and mini tubs as long as the wheelwell opening is not modified.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2022, 09:10:28 PM »
I would suggest an '03-'04 Mach 1. Their chassis is kind of a refined version of the Fox platform plus they have a shaker hood  8). Having said that I think Fairmonts make excellent looking racecars.

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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2022, 08:04:48 AM »
When I put a 460 in a 89 Mustang I ran into a clearance problem with the C6 and the stock floor. It made the motor set real nose high. To resolve this I made some 1 1/4” spacers to space the k member away from the body. This allowed me to get the motor set level…or stock 4 deg angle.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2022, 09:04:15 AM »
Jay, not sure how much money you're planning to spend.....

Here's the guys I would call for the rear end housing. Given 8.50 hopeful ET's I'd assume you're after something this serious with this level of adjustability. 
https://tinsoldierracecars.com/collections/rear-end-housings/products/mustang-mild-steel-fab-9-housing

Front struts I believe any fox body strut will fit with minor modification if your car doesn't have the proper spindles on it. There's a bunch of forum posts about this.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2022, 12:57:02 PM »
Jay, not sure how much money you're planning to spend.....

Here's the guys I would call for the rear end housing. Given 8.50 hopeful ET's I'd assume you're after something this serious with this level of adjustability. 
https://tinsoldierracecars.com/collections/rear-end-housings/products/mustang-mild-steel-fab-9-housing

Front struts I believe any fox body strut will fit with minor modification if your car doesn't have the proper spindles on it. There's a bunch of forum posts about this.

Stock type front and rear suspensions must be used, so no 4-links, ladder bars etc.

Alan, the transmission tunnel can be cut or trimmed to allow whatever transmission is used to fit.

Jay, the rules state "Widened or fabricated wheel tubs are allowed". I don't know what constitutes the difference between a "mini-tub" or a full tub, but no mention of size is stated. I'm just assuming here, that a mini-tub has to fit between the stock frame rails and the outer quarter panel, but no mention of height. You should be able to run as tall a tire as you want, provided you can still get the tire out without dropping the suspension, which would probably be more work than anyone would want.

Only one guy has run in the 8's, and that was 8.90's, in this class to date. So far this year, nobody has even hit the 8's. It's all going to come down to traction and your 60' time.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2022, 01:33:48 PM »
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You should be able to run as tall a tire as you want, provided you can still get the tire out without dropping the suspension, which would probably be more work than anyone would want.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2022, 01:35:25 PM »
Doug, on the inboard side I'm limited by the stock frame rail location.  The rules say you can notch it, but it doesn't look like it can be moved.  What I think that means is that a wide tire is going to extend outside the body at the bottom, and thus be limited by the factory wheel opening in the body, which is not allowed to be modified.  That's why I'm thinking I can't run as tall a tire as I'd like.  Maybe when I get a car here it will appear differently; I haven't seen one up close to determine what is possible and what isn't.

The good thing about the Fox body rear suspension is that it actually acts as a four link setup.  You can buy adjustable top and bottom control arms, and set the suspension up the same way that you would a 4 link.  That's one reason Fox bodies make such good race cars...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2022, 02:51:59 PM »
Here's another rear end housing. TRZ is a good company to look at too for fox body parts. 
https://www.trzmotorsports.com/product/fabricated-rearend-housing/

Reading the rules, I don't think a fabbed housing like this would be a problem at all. It maintains the stock "pickup points" on the car. I think they are trying to keep people from 4-linking cars in the street race class.

Would be a pretty simple build I think, Jay. Not cheap, but at least you can buy the components to bolt on to the car. Not so much custom stuff.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2022, 10:21:52 AM »
We recently did a 79 Monty,the other big block.Used a lot of Team Z stuff such as....K member-nice piece,used 2 inch spacers to keep most of the motor under the hood,glass 4 inch cowl hood,can't recall vendor.Maximum Motorsports bump steer,camber caster plates.Ford racing BBF 460 swap motor mounts use FE rubber insulators if that helps.through floor sub frame connectors-super sturdy,apparently Z makes em for Fairmont as I actually had to trim some off.A little cumbersome under foot for street. Battle Boxes for rear torque boxes.Quick Performance custom rear housing,narrow as possible.We got 28 by 10.5 drag radials under it with no tubs at all but barely get them on without dropping suspension.Team Z adjustable anti roll setup really helps 60 ft,remove 1 bolt for street.The list is long.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2022, 04:35:05 PM »
Jay, last time I looked Minnesota  facebook  marketplace  has a fairmount  futura  for sale. I think the guy was asking $6000.
It looks like a nice car. I bought a 1978 futura  last fall with the in line 3.3 I6. Mine has some rust in the left shock tower.
An FE should fit in the engine with out to much trouble.  I put a 460 in a 1984 thunderbird with out doing anything  to the shock towers.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2022, 07:05:21 AM »
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2022, 11:04:07 PM »
I see that Drag Week has added an "all motor" class for small and big block cars. It is more lenient than the street race BB N/A class as far as suspension. That might be a possibility unless you are dead set on SR BB N/A. On a side note a BBF Fox Mustang won that class this year averaging 8.70 with a 600" 385 series motor.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2022, 05:34:33 PM »
Something else interesting pulled from the Final Draft rules-
•Rear coilover conversions are only allowed on vehicles that were OE equipped with rear coil springs. Coilover conversions must be commonly available from a recognized manufacturer and they must bolt in place on the stock frame.
•Relocated shock mounting points are allowed and the mounts may be custom fabricated.

    UPR has a few options for bolt-in kits:

https://www.uprproducts.com/ford-vehicles/mustang/1979-1993-mustang/suspension/coil-over-kits/

   As for the bolt-in 9" housing with Foxbody suspension brackets:

https://www.currieenterprises.com/79-93-fox-body-mustang-rearends

https://www.strangeengineering.net/product-category/drag-racing-rear-ends/ford-9-inch-rear-end/?product_tag=ford-nine-inch-housings

  Moser Engineering makes a bolt-in 9" with upper arm mounts 3" higher than OEM, which I thought was interesting to check out. Lots of options out there.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2022, 03:22:17 PM »
Fox bodies are real hard to beat for drag racing.  I love the Fairmont. Sedan is my favorite lots like the Futura.  But look at wagons. Tons space for drag week.  Easy to get go kart weight.  Friend had one we street raced years ago.  Would Hook in a car wash! The suspension stuff for them is spot on.  1.17 60 ft with stock type stuff   Wagon overhang help you on drag week.  I’d stay with 8.8. And Rory is right the crash stuff in late 70’s early 80’s very light.  I’d not be surprised if you didn’t have to add weight to meet minimum


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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2022, 12:26:14 PM »
I have a sn95 I am prepping myself. I found that a 10" wheel with a 6.5" backspacing will get you around 10.5" without mini tubs. Does anyone know if just rolling the lip on the fender is a illegal modification?

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2022, 08:51:36 PM »
There must have been a dragracer on the F/Z design team. Everything on them is light, light, light. Aluminum bumpers, holes punched in sheetmetal, thin glass ect.
Subframe connecters are easy, just 2x4 tubing and four 8"x10" plates. Most everything Fox Mustang fits except driveshaft. It is a Fox Mustang chassis with about 10" added in the middle.
Very stealthy.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2022, 10:43:10 PM »
Ron, it is actually 5" more wheelbase, (105 1/2 for the Fairmont, 100 1/2 Mustang), plus the Fairmonts have a bunch more rear overhang. I have had a couple of Fairmont street/strip cars with 302/T5/8.8 running gear, and when I used the factory mufflers and tailpipes from a 5.0 89 Mustang LX, I had the add 14" extensions on the tailpipes to get the ends past the rear bumper. So quite a bit more overhang.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2022, 12:57:14 AM »
Rory, I just guessed at the wb, Too lazy to look it up ! I'm building a Zephyr for a highway cruiser using a lot of Fox Mustang takeoff parts. Bought a 5.0 complete exhaust system but, couldn't use the head pipe because my column shifter linkage was in the middle of the front cat. An off road H pipe cured that and the 5"s left enough room for small cats. The stock mufflers and tailpipes bolted right up to the holes in the stock body and the pipe extensions worked fine. Mustang front and rear suspensions bolted right up (with the big sway bars). 8.8 rear, bucket seats, fold down rear, carpets and other misc pieces. Aftermarket T-Bird torque arm works great too.
And it's painted granny lite blue w/white top.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2022, 11:04:42 AM »
well jay,have you found a car or started on one ?the great thing about fox bodys,is there is a ton of parts and resources around for them,new and used.also a lot of shops that work on them as well.

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« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2022, 02:48:30 PM »
Not yet, still looking for the right car...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2022, 04:11:11 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2022, 07:45:07 AM »

- Is one year in that 78-83 model run preferable from a racing standpoint?  I know the 2 door sedans are probably lightest, but I'm leaning towards a 2 door Futura.  They are all pretty much the same

- I'd be looking at a tubular K member to save some weight, and run aftermarket front suspension components.  I've looked at quite a few K members online, but haven't seen any that are set up for an FE.  Is there such a thing?  If not, can one for a small block Ford be modified to work?  Try Team Z Motorsports

- I would plan to run subframe connectors along with a full cage.  All the subframe connectors I've come across are for Mustangs, which are too short to fit a Fairmont.  Does anyone know of a source for Fairmont subframe connectors, or do I have to fabricate those?  Try Team Z Motorsports

- How about fiberglass hoods and bumpers for those cars (which are legal in the class), are they available?  Try HO fibertrends

- Where can I get a 9" rear end housing that has the proper suspension attachment brackets already welded on?  I don't want to try that myself on this rear suspension, and all the rear ends I've seen online are complete units.  I prefer Mark Williams axles and their aluminum case, and I happen to have a case already, so I don't want to buy a complete rear end.  Try Team Z Motorsports

- Is there a preferred source for the front suspension components, given a drag race application?  Try Team Z Motorsports

- The class allows minor welding to the chassis for strengthening purposes.  Are there some points on the chassis that could or should be reinforced for a drag application?  Perhaps around the factory rear suspension arm mounting points?  Weld the upper torque boxes to the floor boards completly, and use battle boxes on the lower



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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2022, 10:43:15 AM »
https://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/7568397767.html


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Didn't realize the link did not post in previous post
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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2022, 09:11:40 PM »
if you are going to fit in those rules you may need to find a stock car.a lot of what is for sale is pro street stuff.
here is a stock one
https://offerup.com/item/detail/09190374-1e79-30ff-ae2f-ff3c06241097?q=fairmont&cid=5

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2023, 10:30:21 AM »
I'm looking for an inexpensive car.  I will have to cage it, weld on the chassis, pull out most of the interior, scrap the whole drivetrain, etc.  Trying to find a sub $3K car with no or very little rust.  Also don't want to spend $1000+ to ship it here, so it has to be within a few hundred miles of the Minneapolis area, so I can go get it.  I had one lined up, but the idiot who was selling it decided he didn't want to sell it to someone who was going to put an FE in it.  What a moron...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2023, 01:32:48 PM »
Looks like this has turned into a "car finding" post after all  ;D
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« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2023, 08:01:00 PM »
I'm looking for an inexpensive car.  I will have to cage it, weld on the chassis, pull out most of the interior, scrap the whole drivetrain, etc.  Trying to find a sub $3K car with no or very little rust.  Also don't want to spend $1000+ to ship it here, so it has to be within a few hundred miles of the Minneapolis area, so I can go get it.  I had one lined up, but the idiot who was selling it decided he didn't want to sell it to someone who was going to put an FE in it.  What a moron...
Jay, maybe cal him back, and tell him that you seen the light, and will be putting a Chevy LS in it, to get the car! :o
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1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2023, 12:34:53 AM »
If you emailed recently, I'm sure they are preoccupied with this years event, which starts today. Power to weight ratio should get you to the 8.50 limit. You'd also be running against Scott Miller, provided he attended, in a field entirely dominated by GM's. And nobody has really pushed the 8.50 limit, that I'm aware of.

If no fiberglass bumpers are to be had, you can shave a lot of weight by removing the heavy steel backing and ditching the "crash" mounts. It wouldn't be hard to fab some lightweight brackets and just keep the aluminum front.

Wheel tubs and frame notching are also allowed, so a good size tire would fit, keeping within the 11.5" limit.

Good choice on the car and class. Good luck.
I did that with a 78 Futura years ago,I pulled the bumpers off and removed the impact beams from them and reinstalled the aluminum shells,it was a long time ago but I don't remember having to fabricate anything,I left the shock absorbing mounts and if I remember right there was a light stamped bracket that the impact beam and the shell bolted to seems like I just ditched the beam bolted the shell back to the bracket which bolted to the shock absorbing mounts and done, but I suppose you save a few extra pounds if you fabricated pieces from aluminum to replace the shock absorbing mounts and the stamped bracket.   

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« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2023, 05:20:15 PM »
"I'm looking for an inexpensive car. "

LOLOLOLOLOL....  Every Fox around here is 10~12K+ if it's not tore up.  Unless it's set up for small tire/no prep then that one is 90K.  It's damn stupid.  It'd be likely cheaper here to buy a 2017~18 with a 5.0 and just work on the Coyote.  If one didn't know better and only had Hemmings listings as a reference, you'd think Ford made nothing but convertibles. 

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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2023, 10:28:54 PM »
"I'm looking for an inexpensive car. "

LOLOLOLOLOL....  Every Fox around here is 10~12K+ if it's not tore up.  Unless it's set up for small tire/no prep then that one is 90K.  It's damn stupid.  It'd be likely cheaper here to buy a 2017~18 with a 5.0 and just work on the Coyote.  If one didn't know better and only had Hemmings listings as a reference, you'd think Ford made nothing but convertibles.
it is hard to find a cheap fox,unless someone is desperate,or someone who just wants you to have it-doing you a favor,is probably the only way you will get a good body at a good price.
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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2023, 12:30:08 PM »
Jay I wish you had a teleporter I would love to help you work on this project sounds fantastic.
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« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2023, 01:25:51 PM »
Honesty Jay.... there's a guy near me that has a foxbody Mustang that may be a good place to start if you aren't opposed to it. Has a 7.50 cert cage. The car smacked the wall last year so it needs a new hood/fender/door. I think the wreck was 99% cosmetic. He was going too fast for the cage cert and rather than change this car, he bought one that already has a 6.50 cert cage in it.

I have personally flirted with the idea, BUT as you might be able to tell, I have enough on my plate  ;D
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« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2023, 07:47:28 PM »
Don't want a Mustang, I'm looking for a Fairmont or Zephyr.  Not in a big hurry at this point, since the Drag Week tracks this year are down in the Southeast, so I won't be going...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2023, 09:26:21 PM »
There's always something like this- has title and plates too  8)




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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2023, 06:27:59 PM »
Wow, that is a clean car!
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« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2023, 07:23:20 PM »
Jay, that Futura does look pretty decent, and it is even not ridiculously far away from you.  Be interesting to see what the final price is .
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« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2023, 04:47:14 AM »
So how was the trip to Missoula , Jay?

 The Falcon Mene Gene posted would be perfect for Drag Week, a wedge head FE ought to keep up with Bailey in Unlimited class.

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« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2023, 10:44:26 PM »
Thanks to djburton for posting that link, the car was just what I wanted.  Managed to get it for $2K.  Good start to the next race car...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2023, 11:27:46 PM »
Awesome Jay! Welcome to the "Fine Fraternity of Ford Fairmont Fanciers"! 8)
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2023, 07:49:18 AM »
Go Jay! Nice that you found such a clean car and so cheap too. Must give us all progress reports and pics. Will this be a FE with your new heads? Hey, while I'm at it, maybe a run down on drivetrain, cage, car color too?
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2023, 11:28:01 AM »
Bob, I am planning to run my top end package with the RE exhaust ports in this car, and take it to Drag Week at some point, probably 2024.  First it is going to a friend of mine in Idaho, who is fairly close to the car and will be picking it up and bringing it back to his shop.  He will be doing bodywork and paint.  The paint job will either be a love it or hate it thing for most people, I think.  For a long time I've wanted to paint a car to reflect a World War II aircraft paint scheme, so I'm going to do that on this car.  I'm looking at two different paint schemes, either from an Avro Lancaster in the RAF, or a P-51 Mustang from the USAAF.  Pictures I'm looking at are below.  The Mustang scheme would be really gaudy, maybe too "out there" with a black and white checkerboard dominating the front half of the car.  But it looks cool, so I don't know.  I could replace all the swastikas shown under the cockpit with Chevy bowties on the door, but I'm liable to get beat up if I do that  ;D I like the Lancaster because with the lower half black, it would really show off some nose art (which I have some good ideas for, think Vargas girls...).  The top half camouflaged paint is something I like too.  I'm going to be thinking about this for a while.  By the way, if anybody else has a WW2 aircraft paint job that they think would look good on a car, post a picture!  I've got some time to decide...



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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2023, 12:15:52 PM »
Hmmm, and here I was thinking a factory "old man" beige with butterscotch interior would be cool. I guess a "going for the throat" look would get some attention for sure. Regardless , we can never have too many "FEarmonts"  out there. Looking for progress reports on here, please.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2023, 02:14:04 PM »
I vote for the Lanc color scheme with the roundels.  You've already got one of the colors on the car!
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2023, 04:21:25 PM »
On a Fairmont, wow your braver than I am. Not sure it will work with that body style. Maybe something like this .......... 


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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2023, 03:13:40 AM »
Don't forget the P38 Lightning and F4U Corsair (the prefix is great, too). They are the 2 fastest piston engine, fighters of WWII. I also like the P40 Flying Tigers, like 1964fastback does.

Don't forget to add "The whole Nine Yards" to it somewhere, too. As well as MoPar kills, to go with the Bowties.
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« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2023, 10:47:00 AM »
Jay, I was looking at that car all weekend....price never went up and I was like shoot that's a deal. I have some family in Bozeman I was going to have scoop it up. I'm glad you got it.
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« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2023, 10:56:43 AM »
This is only my opinion, but I would only go with that sort of paint scheme if you have military service in your backround. 

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2023, 11:35:09 AM »
Congrats Jay. I grew up in Missoula, and Polson MT, still have friends there, I live about 175 miles away in Idaho now. Where in Idaho is your friend?

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2023, 03:42:28 PM »
He's about a half hour south of Boise.
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2023, 04:08:20 PM »
Nice score, Jay. On a side note, you probably saved it from an LS swap too. :)

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2023, 08:28:38 AM »
Thanks for the reply Jay. The following is a cartoon but it highlights a bunch of WW1-WWII and current military paint schemes. Worth a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1p5cDRA9F0

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/61/b5/6261b5f3f0062612ff9cdc458f79d7d7.jpg
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2023, 11:33:32 AM »
Have you considered having a vinyl wrap made?

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2023, 01:15:27 PM »
Nope, not interested in a wrap.  Paint for me!
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2023, 01:58:02 PM »
This Lancaster lays  not so far from where i live
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #95 on: March 16, 2023, 01:41:17 PM »
you can leave the stock interior in it,because you will have to add weight.not mine.so the fe will be a little less than a stock block 385 engine.
are you going to run aluminum block?

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2023, 03:36:15 PM »
I have to laugh, the stock interior has to come out.  At least the front seats.  A very old, infirm person owned this car.  The driver's seat smells.  Badly  :o

I do plan to run an aluminum block, but the engine is a bit down the road at this point so that may change.  Drag Week 2023 is too far to the Southeast for me, so I'm figuring I'll get there with this car in 2024.  By then, who knows what may happen...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2023, 07:35:25 AM »
I'm still thinking of an old but great series of Fairmont paint schemes: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS768US768&q=bob+glidden+fairmont&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgrdPv--L9AhWjRzABHcZuDVsQ0pQJegQIDRAB&biw=1164&bih=606&dpr=1.1

Glidden's paint jobs just seem to fit the car's line so well. My 2nd fav is that checkerboard P-51 look or other P-51 schemes. The Lancaster colors though seem to hide the car (Doh! that's why its camo!) too much. Yours should stand out in the crowd for sure.

https://dynodon.com/timeline/1978-1979-1978-ford-fairmont-pro-stock/?bpage=24

Dyno Don's Fairmont is pretty good too. Note all of Glidden's and Nicholson's cars have that swoopy paint on the rear pillar between the door and rear window. Maybe not a copycat, but somewhat similar paint schemes could be used to good effect. JMO!   
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2023, 10:11:25 AM »
Glad you finally found a car, Jay.

 I'm diggin' the teardrop hood on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwbnjQaRCuA
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2023, 12:41:23 PM »
That trunk looks big enough so that you could upgrade from a monkey to a gorilla.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2023, 12:46:14 PM »

  On an internet search of WW2 Fairmont- you come up with an Army Airfield in Nebraska that was used to train B-24 Liberator crews!

  https://www.nps.gov/articles/fairmont-army-airfield.htm

   Still a camo paint scheme with some nose art. Can't wait to see this car on track Jay!
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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #101 on: June 08, 2023, 06:56:25 PM »
hey jay,any updates on this futura build?

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2023, 09:17:55 PM »
Jack Roush owns two P-51s. Google Roush Aviation for pictures. Not too gaudy. 'Old Crow' has just a bit of checkerbord in the front.

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Re: Need Advice on Fox Body FE Project
« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2023, 09:53:17 PM »
Pretty well set on the "Big Beautiful Doll" P-51 paint scheme at this point.  My friend in Idaho is done with the bodywork and has also painted under the hood, trunk, and the door jambs.  In keeping with the WWII paint scheme, these areas have been painted zinc chromate green, just like the unseen parts of a WWII aircraft.  We'll get the car back to my place and paint the exterior in August, and then start worrying about the suspension, rear end and trans, and engine.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC