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Ghosted by Jerico
« on: February 15, 2022, 10:25:22 AM »
Anyone dealt with Jerico lately? I'm getting no response back. Granted I only made a couple calls and sent 2 e mails. Have always gotten reasonably quick responses back in the past.
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2022, 11:39:14 AM »
I had to connect with them about an input shaft one month back. I had no trouble reaching them via the number that is on their website.
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2022, 12:47:48 PM »
At this time, and for about 1.5 years, I have adjusted my response expectations quite a bit.
If the crew at Jerico have Covid they may be effectively closed until things clear up...always keep that thought as a plausible reason you are not hearing from them quickly.

For now keep trying to contact them, keep records of the day and time when you do try, and give some grace about their response time.

Things will either prove to be okay, just slow, or something else has gotten in the way.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2022, 08:53:17 AM »
 I had Jerico rebuild my DR4 after destroying it at the last FE Reunion in September. I had no issues dealing with them, very responsive and turn around time was within a month. If you can, speak to Scott. Only downside was the cost of the parts, but that goes with the territory.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2022, 11:25:18 AM »
Any update on this?

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2022, 02:59:47 PM »
 Just out of curiosity, i called today and they answered right away. Spoke to Scout about pricing on changing 1st gear ratio.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2022, 03:33:17 PM »
Any update on this?

Yes. Talked to Scott.  Jerico still on the list, be making a decision soon to determine if they make the short list. 
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2022, 11:01:36 PM »
Saw a post on Facebook with someone selling a Jerico/shifter/etc.  I just glanced at it, as I have no use for one.
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2022, 02:16:31 PM »
Any update on this?

Yes. Talked to Scott.  Jerico still on the list, be making a decision soon to determine if they make the short list.

What are you trying to decide? Buying a new transmission? If so, what is the application? Street? Road Race? Drag Strip?

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2022, 03:31:19 PM »
Liberty was advertising some refurbished 5 spd clutch less for $6500 if that is of interest
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2022, 06:35:58 PM »
Any update on this?

Yes. Talked to Scott.  Jerico still on the list, be making a decision soon to determine if they make the short list.

What are you trying to decide? Buying a new transmission? If so, what is the application? Street? Road Race? Drag Strip?

Yes I'm in the market for a clutchless 4 or 5 speed. I been running a Jerico DR4C (non revised) since 2005, infact I have 2 of them, one is new old stock, has no runs on it at all. The other I have ran for quite a while. I'm looking to upgrade, need something that will handle more power. Something that wont constantly need to be worked on. I was trying to get some information on Jerico's clutchless split case. Sure I see what they have written up on there site, Scott pretty much echoed those same things when I talked to him. I was looking more for info on who's running them and what they think, how they like it and how durable it is. Turns out there's only a hand full of them out there as per Scott's words. Apparently Ray Paquette rus one or has atleast but I dont know Ray and I'm not close to the area to the SS. Events he would be racing. I literally cant find anyone that has ran one or any kind of reviews or info on them so yeah.. I do however know a hand full of people at a few tracks around me that run the GF-2000 and love them. Even a few heavy pro street  nitrous cars and they hold up really well even in that environment.  I wish I coulda got some reviews on the Jerico split case, theres just nothing out there and even Scott didnt seem to want to up sell his stuff. As of now if I go split case I'm prob gonna go GF-2000 . Right now though im Leaning hard towards the CS-4 light weight (well lighter than the CS1 lol) as I have a ton of experience with lenco from the top sportsman car..
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2022, 06:03:41 AM »
If Clutchless is what you are after, then by far Liberty Equalizer is the way to go. Every single Pro Stock car has one for a reason.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2022, 08:39:59 PM »
I already sense the flames but if you have a choice between a Liberty Extreme 4 speed and a 5 speed clutchless, choose the 5 speed. I race in NHRA SuperStock with a Liberty 4 speed clutchless for the last 10 years and can verify that maintenance on a 4 speed is, exponentially, higher than a 5 speed. The problem is universal to any manufacturer's 4 speed clutchless; the gear ratio spacing is simply so wide on a 4 speed, by comparison to 5 speed spacing, that gear rpm equalization damage during the upshifts accelerates to the point that 3rd speed dogs and slider require service (replacement) between 12 to 20 full rpm shifts. This is NOT an issue with the 5 speed boxes, as SuperStock users report that they easily go 100 runs without requiring service. You will hit the B.S. wall when you attempt to verify what I am reporting from mine and several other S/S racer's 4 speed experiences. Don't misunderstand, my Liberty Extreme is a brute and this is the only issue I have ever had with his trans. Additionally, don't miss the fact that a ProStock car is 2350lbs, requiring a lot less 1st gear ratio than a 3300lb SuperStock car which calculates into causing those gear spacing statements made earlier. Choose wisely, good luck.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2022, 09:11:33 PM »
Thanks for all the input guys, I do appreciate it.
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2022, 06:04:20 AM »
Definitely go with a 5 speed if rules do not dictate the need for a 4 speed. I bought a 4 speed just because some day, I might want to go Super Stock racing, and do not want to buy another trans down the road. I did buy extra sliders to keep in the trailer just in case.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2022, 01:18:18 PM »
No, no rules to dictate my choices,  only rule I know of is N/A and run what ya brung and hope you brung enough.  Mostly run 1/8 mile stuff. n/t , grudge, and quick 8 - 16 . I'll only run 1/4 mile about 4 times a year. Once I retire in a couple years I may run with the pro stick association guys some.
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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2022, 09:03:12 AM »
I already sense the flames but if you have a choice between a Liberty Extreme 4 speed and a 5 speed clutchless, choose the 5 speed. I race in NHRA SuperStock with a Liberty 4 speed clutchless for the last 10 years and can verify that maintenance on a 4 speed is, exponentially, higher than a 5 speed. The problem is universal to any manufacturer's 4 speed clutchless; the gear ratio spacing is simply so wide on a 4 speed, by comparison to 5 speed spacing, that gear rpm equalization damage during the upshifts accelerates to the point that 3rd speed dogs and slider require service (replacement) between 12 to 20 full rpm shifts. This is NOT an issue with the 5 speed boxes, as SuperStock users report that they easily go 100 runs without requiring service. You will hit the B.S. wall when you attempt to verify what I am reporting from mine and several other S/S racer's 4 speed experiences. Don't misunderstand, my Liberty Extreme is a brute and this is the only issue I have ever had with his trans. Additionally, don't miss the fact that a ProStock car is 2350lbs, requiring a lot less 1st gear ratio than a 3300lb SuperStock car which calculates into causing those gear spacing statements made earlier. Choose wisely, good luck.

Curious to know what you shift your Super Stocker at? What fluid are you using in the trans?

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2022, 11:43:51 AM »
I'd rather not disclose the exact rpm shift numbers on an open forum due to the negative conversations generated but let's just say high, very high. If you viewed Ray Paquet's 2021 Indy YouTube interview by Evan Smith, the numbers he stated are ballpark to where we are all operating.
Liberty recommended Mobile 1, 75W-90 when I purchased my trans in 2010 and that's all I've ever used without the slightest evidence of lubrication failure. I recently noticed that Liberty is now marketing their own branded gear lube so I assume that is, likely, the present recommendation.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2022, 01:51:43 PM »
I'd rather not disclose the exact rpm shift numbers on an open forum due to the negative conversations generated but let's just say high, very high. If you viewed Ray Paquet's 2021 Indy YouTube interview by Evan Smith, the numbers he stated are ballpark to where we are all operating.
Liberty recommended Mobile 1, 75W-90 when I purchased my trans in 2010 and that's all I've ever used without the slightest evidence of lubrication failure. I recently noticed that Liberty is now marketing their own branded gear lube so I assume that is, likely, the present recommendation.

No worries, I've talked with Ray, and Kurt neighbor about how high they shift theirs. A friend that ran a Liberty for years, switched to Redline shockproof, and he said it cut down on maintenance quite a bit. That is what I plan on running. i talked with Liberty about it at PRI, and they said it was fine to use.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2022, 03:37:32 PM »
Thanks for the info. Liberty promised that it was a unknown problem when I brought it to him and he would get it fixed.  I tried multiple iterations of shift dog counts (all at my expense, I might add) and all it did was make matters worse. Actually, the highest shift count achieved was with a 3-dog setup that Liberty said would never work but it was the only one he had that I hadn't tried. I tell you this so you won't be drawn into their revenue machine when the 4 speed begins to have problems. My trans were both built with 5-dogs; he had me try 6 and when that reduced the shift count by almost 30%, he suggested 7. I requested 4 and the answer was, he didn't like making those because that's what his competitor used and I already told you the 3-dog story, but I insisted on the 3 and, somewhat, improved durability. The "company" line was that the original design had 3-dogs (5 speed trans) and Greg Anderson requested they try 5-dogs to reduce maintenance frequency and they switched all production to 5-dogs, based on Anderson's satisfaction. Again, the results are based on 5 speed applications in an ultra-light weight combination. The racers using 4 speed trans will all tell you (if truthful) that the two trans act like two, completely different, parts based on the ratio drop benefit derived from the extra gear and starting line weight of the application. The almost unbelievable fact is that, as a driver you can actually feel that the 3 dog setup shifts easier and quicker but I've only used it on 2nd and 3rd speed. No need for 1st and 4th is completely different animal and pretty reliable at 50 to 65 shifts before needing service. Breaking any internal part is almost none existent but 4 speed dog wear can be an issue. Good luck.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2022, 02:20:14 PM »
You can run the 5 speed if it only has four usable ratios can't you? So a 1 to 1 4th and 5th.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2022, 04:47:58 PM »
It wouldn't change the maintenance problem since the ratio spread percentages would remain the same as a 4speed. Additionally, you would have invested approximately $1100, or more, per trans for no benefit if you ran it as a 4speed instead of a 5.

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Re: Ghosted by Jerico
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2022, 07:20:10 AM »
It wouldn't change the maintenance problem since the ratio spread percentages would remain the same as a 4speed. Additionally, you would have invested approximately $1100, or more, per trans for no benefit if you ran it as a 4speed instead of a 5.

Pretty sure Ray Paquet runs this setup in his Thunderbolt. Why he hasn't switched over to a Liberty, I don't know.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2022, 12:53:10 PM »
True. He runs a Jerico 5speed that has an internal "handcuff" in place of a forward gear which results in a 4speed trans in a 5speed case. Ray, along with Charlie Wescott, were some of Jerico's original testers when they were attempting to counter the Liberty Extreme 4speed in SuperStock.