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410bruce

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Bell Housing ID
« on: December 28, 2021, 10:39:26 AM »
Hey guys. Manual transmission. Without having them both side by side, how do you tell a car from a truck bell housing?

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2021, 11:08:14 AM »
The truck bell should have a (T) in the numbers on the bell like C6TE.

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2021, 02:49:16 PM »
The PU truck bellhousing will be C5T, and also have ridges from the upper bolt holes to the trans mounting surface. Car bellhousing do not have the ribs, and will not have the "T" in the 3rd position of the casting number.
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2021, 05:56:41 PM »
Awesome. Thanks guys.  8)

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2021, 06:08:32 PM »
Just went and checked and it's a truck. Dang.
That won't work in my '67 Cougar, will it?

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2021, 08:15:46 PM »
It will work in a car application.  The housing may require a bit of clearancing with some clutch pressure plates since the truck bell is not made for the bigger car clutches, like the 11.5 and 12.  The other issue you have to check for is transmission input shaft length.  Big block toploaders have a slightly shorter input shaft pilot than smallblock toploaders.  Truck bellhousings are longer by 5/8".  The shorter input shaft with the deeper bell might put your input shaft pilot outside the support of the bushing.  I understand there are taller bushings that will accommodate this, but I don't know of a part number.  Of course, it you have a smallblock toploader, then they fit without modification. 

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2021, 08:37:39 PM »
I used a 1973 390 truck bell when I built my 68 Mustang.

Car was originally a 289 C4 auto.
When I bought the Mustang it already had a small block top loader and clutch linkage swapped in.
All factory small block parts.

I stuffed in a 428.

I got the needed FE Z bar engine bracket, that plus the truck bell, new flywheel, new 11.5" long style clutch,
don't remember which fork I used, I had the truck fork but I think I used the small block one that was on the car.
It all bolted together, except...

The shifter was 1/2" too far back and I had to notch the tunnel opening.
Hurst Comp Plus shifter.
Every 20 minute job is 1 broken bolt away from becoming a 3 day ordeal.

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2021, 08:52:45 PM »
Excellent information gentlemen, thank you.
I think I'll try to find a car bell housing.
The Toploader I have was behind a 427 in a Cobra.

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2021, 11:01:42 PM »
The C5T housing will not fit an 11.5" clutch. It will fit an 11" clutch.  The C6OE Mustang bell will clear an 11.5 and 12" clutch cover. It has a hump mid housing for clearance.  You may get a low profile diaphragm 11.5" under it, but most make contact.

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2021, 09:28:19 AM »
Unless Ford made a different bellhousing for the later 390 PU trucks, an 11 1/2" clutch must fit, as that is what came stock on 390 powered F series PUs, at least from 1974 thru 76. My 360 had an 11", but the 390 was 11 1/2".
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2021, 08:44:48 PM »
66-67 gt fairlane,cyclone,mustang had the bell with the hump all the way around,i just used one and put a 12" clutch in it,cleared everything good,no problem.
1966 comet caliente 428 4 speed owned since 1983                                                 1973 f250 ranger xlt 360 4 speed papaw bought new

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2022, 01:29:31 PM »
66-67 gt fairlane,cyclone,mustang had the bell with the hump all the way around,i just used one and put a 12" clutch in it,cleared everything good,no problem.
C60A 6394 D with a large Z is the housing with the hump designed for 12" clutches. It's a 67-70 Mustang/Shelby FE housing.  The C5 housing has clearance issues even with the 11" diaphragm Centerforce cover.

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2022, 01:41:45 AM »
Truck bell housings are 0.4" deeper than car bell housings.  Not 5/8" deeper as mentioned above. 

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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2022, 06:34:39 PM »
When I twisted-off the output shaft of the T-10 trans in my '64 Custom/427---manufactured/delivered in February of '64---I arranged to get a so-new-as-to-not-yet-be-in-the-parts-chain big in-'n'-out Toploader. The Exec Engineer at T&C Livonia helped me. In order to put it in the car, I had to source a new clutch disc and TO bearing, as well as the fork and the front drive-shaft yoke. I had to get them from a local dealer who specialized in the larger Ford trucks. When I went to the parts counter there, the counter guy immediately knew what I needed. The 427 bell-housing for the engine was made to accept the 11.5 inch clutch. Of course, I needed a new disc to accept the splines on the big 'in' of the new trans.

KS
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Re: Bell Housing ID
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2022, 10:59:54 AM »
Does anybody know when Ford change the clutch fork angle in the bellhousing on FEs? When I was mocking up various bellhousings in my 59 2 door, using factory 58/59 mechanical clutch linkage, I had 3 different bellhousings on hand. One was a C5T PU bell, a Lakewood scattershield, and a C0 bell with a late 61 casting date, so for a 1961 model car. Both the C5, and the Lakewood, had the clutch fork angled downward, at approx. 8 oclock, which was over an inch below the position where the clutch rod from the Zbar to the fork would be level. With the C0 bell, the clutch fork was higher, at closer to 9 oclock, and the clutch linkage worked out perfectly. And by adding the later style plate between the block and bellhousing, the later 184 tooth flywheel and short shaft starter motor. The downsides of the C0 bellhousing, was that the center bore for the front bearing retainer was smaller diameter, which was corrected by having a machinist open up the bore to the 65 and newer dimension, and the fact that the early bell only has provision for the narrow transmission mounting pattern. Not a big deal, as I just used the inner bolt pattern of my 1966 Fairlane Toploader. However, if I wish to convert to a new Tremec TKX 5 speed, I will need to use a bellhousing with the wide bolt pattern, which if they have the lower clutch fork angle, wil require modifying the factory clutch linkage, which I want to avoid, as it currently works perfectly. I know that I could buy a new QuickTime bellhousing, and convert to an aftermarket hydraulic clutch, but due to cost and such, I have no interest in doing. So anybody aware of a wide pattern, factory bell that uses the early clutch fork position, and has the larger bore for the transmision front retainer?
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH