Author Topic: 4 speed for street  (Read 3155 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
4 speed for street
« on: August 10, 2021, 10:22:46 AM »
Ok started a new thread to keep things simple.  Some folks mentioned a Jerico on the street is not for the faint of heart.  Also that they are rude.  So are we talking downshift difficulties? Noise?  How about a road race version, or does that sacrifice strength?  Truthfully my 295/65/15 e.t. Street tires offer a surprising amount of bite. This car is going to be noisy, the floor gets hot in the summer, it has manual steering so I’m not expecting a Cadillac.
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

cjshaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4540
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2021, 10:55:08 AM »
Double clutching on the upshift makes mine smooth. I've tried RPM matching and it still wants to hit rather hard, at least harder than I like, and I've driven sticks all my life. Some guys say they can do it easily, so maybe it's something to do with my trans, or just my lack of skill. I find it just as easy to double clutch and there is zero issue with any engagement, at least on my trans.

To me, downshifting is the part that makes you pucker a little. Downshifting definitely requires you to RPM match the best you can, or it's going to bang pretty hard. If you look at the decel lug on a Jerico gear, it's very small, so you do not want to try and finesse it or it's going to eat away at that lug, which will cause issues with it staying in gear on deceleration. You want to get it into gear immediately.

It's also going to bang when you put it in first from a stop. That's pretty much the nature of them, I believe. I don't have a clutch issue that I'm aware of, and no matter how long I sit to let the gears idle, it'll still clunk pretty hard going into first.

Also, on the clutch assisted trans, there is a rather large gap between the accel and decel lugs (there is no decel lug on a clutchless, so if you get off the gas it will pop out of gear), so there is a lull in forces transferred when getting on or off the gas. It tends to make the car feel a bit jerky, but that's just the nature of that style engagement. The gap is there to allow the lugs to have space to engage at speed.

To take full advantage of the trans, you really need a Long shifter. That makes it a bit more work as you have to raise up the gate to downshift form 4th or 3rd, to any lower gear. I don't find it a problem, it's just something else that is in the equation. Obviously a Hurst style shifter doesn't have that issue.

In standard traffic, or rural areas like I live in, I don't find any of these things to be real objectionable. If you get in city or heavy traffic, you'll have your hands full. The very limited amount of heavy traffic that I'm likely to encounter is not an issue to me, but like I said, I have a lot more tolerance for these issues than the vast majority of people would want to endure. Just be honest with yourself about what you would find tiresome so that you don't regret your decision.

Final word, once you get on the track, you won't want to have a toploader again, at least while racing  :)
Doug Smith


'69 R-code Mach 1, 427 MR, 2x4, Jerico, 4.30 Locker
'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2021, 11:34:23 AM »
Doug, I greatly appreciate that response. Exactly what I was looking for. 
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

6667fan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 803
  • Every Second Counts
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2021, 12:04:40 PM »
Great synopsis from Doug who has helped me a lot with perspective on Jerico street use.
I framed Jerico street usage as rude due to the clunking/pulling into first and gear bang when pushing/pulling gears without double clutching. None of that matters at the track but the first time you take one of your buddies for a ride on the street they are going to ask if the trans is broken. I could double clutch a face plated toploader fine but have not mastered the technique with my Jerico. At least with my unit I have to pull fourth very firmly or there will be grinding. Second and third are more civilized but there is a jolt upon engagement.
I guess a lot depends on how much street driving you will do with car and as Doug has mentioned, your tolerance level.
JB


67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2021, 12:30:05 PM »
The primary use will be state route 162.  Where I plan do donate the bulk of my Mickey Thompson’s. Track use will be a couple trips per year.  There is a fair amount of traffic around here now. Stop and go wouldn’t be fun here in the summer with a power glide. I work nights a lot of the time, so I’ll have the advantage of cool air, and vacant roads. 
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2021, 03:46:09 PM »
Talked with Scott at Jerico this afternoon.  He says add the road race sliders to a drag race 4 speed.  Put a Long shifter on it, things will get a bit noisy but they won’t break.  I may be looking to sell a top loader soon. 
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

SSdynosaur

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 145
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2021, 07:31:53 PM »
Scott is one of the most senior employees at Jerico and will provide only the most reliable advice. He will take time to explain "why" something you are requesting may not be the best way to proceed without interjecting any sales rhetoric. My experience has always been that you can accept his advice with the highest level of confidence.

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2021, 07:43:20 PM »
I think between him and Doug’s post I have a direction. If you know how a snow ball works, here’s my build. Stroked 428 with stock edl. Heads, top loader, stock 9”, stock front end.


Currently 511” bbm. 35 spline moser rear end.  Probably a Jerico.  Roller/tubular front end rebuild.
I should probably start looking at paint colors.   :-\
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

6667fan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 803
  • Every Second Counts
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2021, 09:12:41 PM »
What kind of “jing” is Scott talking for that trans?
JB


67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2021, 09:32:28 PM »
$5,200.   Plus $1,200 for the Long shifter. Ouch. 
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

Nightmist66

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1209
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2021, 10:02:29 PM »
If you know how a snow ball works, here’s my build. Stroked 428 with stock edl. Heads, top loader, stock 9”, stock front end.


Currently 511” bbm. 35 spline moser rear end.  Probably a Jerico.  Roller/tubular front end rebuild.
I should probably start looking at paint colors.   :-\


I still don't know why it works that way. 5 years ago, I was going to swap a slightly larger cam and bump the compression with steel shims on a tired old 390. 4 years later, everything but the body and interior had been changed.
Jared



66 Fairlane GT 390 - .035" Over 390, Wide Ratio Top Loader, 9" w/spool, 4.86

SSdynosaur

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 145
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2021, 11:34:28 PM »
I think between him and Doug’s post I have a direction. If you know how a snow ball works, here’s my build. Stroked 428 with stock edl. Heads, top loader, stock 9”, stock front end.


Currently 511” bbm. 35 spline moser rear end.  Probably a Jerico.  Roller/tubular front end rebuild.
I should probably start looking at paint colors.   :-\

Just another example of "Mission Creep". Believe me, it happens to every one of us who love cars!

475fetoploader

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 448
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2021, 02:32:26 AM »
Mission Creep.  I like that.  I’ll run it by the wife, see if she notices the genius in it.
1967  Fairlane Tunnel Wedge on Proports.
1975 4x4 461 f.e. 4speed on 38’s
Love many, Trust few. Always paddle your own canoe.

Stangman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1850
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2021, 02:26:23 PM »
Good luck with that 475fe toploader. Keep us informed about if your sleepin in the garage or not.

machoneman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3859
    • View Profile
Re: 4 speed for street
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2021, 02:47:45 PM »
$5,200.   Plus $1,200 for the Long shifter. Ouch.

So, how many built like new Toploaders can one buy for the $6,400 savings?

3? 2.5? 2? 

http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/toploaderpricelist.htm

« Last Edit: August 11, 2021, 02:53:09 PM by machoneman »
Bob Maag