Canceling Edelbrock RPM Order Intake Suggestions

[390rpm]

I ordered an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and carb package 61 days ago today. This afternoon I finally received a reason for the delay. I was told, "..due to an intake machine malfunction we have no eta on your parts... we guess they'll be there in another six to eight weeks". I suppose stuff happens, so I guess I'll cancel the order and go with a Blue Thunder or a Streetmaster. Unless if I find someone who has a RPM intake stocked.

-- I think I'm leaning toward the Blue Thunder 427 MR intake. I found a 428 CJ HR listed, but I assume there would be a port mismatch with the 6090-N heads. I'm still new to the FE. I'll appreciate any suggestions.

401 cubic inches, 10.07:1, CJ heads (SS valves-3 angle valve job- light porting with bowl blend), Comp Cams springs, RPM cam and chain, Harland Sharp Roller rockers, Precision Oil Pumps end stands

[1968galaxie]

The Blue Thunder FE intake is a nice piece.
I believe the Blue Thunder CJ intake has slightly taller intake port - should match quite well with a 428CJ head.
The MR intake has slightly shorter port - but may be wider than CJ manifold port size.
Some others may have port exit dimensions for the 2 manifolds.

[390rpm]

Survival Motorsports has a 428 CJ High Rise listed (also a Comp. 428 CJ High Rise listed, but not sure what the difference is). I believe that the stock CJ head is a medium riser port. I wasn't sure if the taller high riser port of the 428 intake would be a problem, so that's what had me thinking the 427 MR intake would have better alignment.

Could/Should you raise the ceiling of the head port to match the high rise port of the intake?

[chilly460]

Just to confuse everything, a CJ port actually is a Low Riser port. 

[390rpm]

Haha, I'll measure them. That should clear things up.

[427John]

Is the survival intake being advertised as a HR like in highrise intake manifold as all performance aftermarket intakes used to be referred as or as an actual HR 427 type port?

[Royce]

I don't normally do this but since you are looking

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/879811746216527/

[1968galaxie]

The Blue Thunder manifolds are not the High Riser 427 port.
The 427 MR port is slightly shorter (perhaps wider?) than the 428 CJ port manifold.
I had a Blue Thunder 428CJ manifold. It matched up quite well to C4 cylinder heads ("low riser") I was using.

[390rpm]

Is the survival intake being advertised as a HR like in highrise intake manifold as all performance aftermarket intakes used to be referred as or as an actual HR 427 type port?

I'm probably mistaken, but the intakes are advertised as high risers. There wasn't too much information other than that. I'm sure most people who are considering them already know the lingo. Here is the link below.

http://store.survivalmotorsports.com/blue-thunder-search-by-product-intake-manifold-ford-big-block-fe-390-427-428.html

[390rpm]

The Blue Thunder manifolds are not the High Riser 427 port.
The 427 MR port is slightly shorter (perhaps wider?) than the 428 CJ port manifold.
I had a Blue Thunder 428CJ manifold. It matched up quite well to C4 cylinder heads ("low riser") I was using.

Thanks. I've always heard them referred to as just Blue Thunder intakes. The listing advertised them as high and medium risers. I never considered that there were other variations of that design. It makes sense though. I think either the 427 or 428 BT intake should work. I believe the difference is in the port match.

[67xr7cat]

A high riser intake manifold will only work with Hi riser heads.  Ford raised the valve cover rail on the Hi riser so it is not just the port height.  A MR looks like a Lo riser port just with the port floor filled in.  Some MR intakes, mostly early factory stuff will not seal properly at the port bottom because of this.  Right now seems a lot of stuff is out of stock.  Edelbrock moved its corporate office and it seems to have disrupted everything. Edelbrock cast a of other peoples stuff in addition to their own.  I'd say if you can wait a few months should be available again.  As for the Blue thunder stuff, they do a run and sell it to the vendors.  A lot of times it all gets sold off long before they do another run so is very hit or miss.

[chilly460]

Is the survival intake being advertised as a HR like in highrise intake manifold as all performance aftermarket intakes used to be referred as or as an actual HR 427 type port?

I'm probably mistaken, but the intakes are advertised as high risers. There wasn't too much information other than that. I'm sure most people who are considering them already know the lingo. Here is the link below.

http://store.survivalmotorsports.com/blue-thunder-search-by-product-intake-manifold-ford-big-block-fe-390-427-428.html

I think it’s semantics, they’re listed as “high rise” not high riser.   It means the carb pad is raised, they’re a “performance” intake as opposed to a stock replacement like an Edelbrock Performer. 

[CV355]

What is with every manufacturer out there suddenly having supply chain and internal manufacturing issues?  I swear, everyone out there just throws the "Unexpected delays due to Covid" label on everything. Sorry for the rant, I've been waiting 12 weeks for something that was supposedly "in stock" and I was given the "Covid delays at supplier" line. 

[machoneman]

What is with every manufacturer out there suddenly having supply chain and internal manufacturing issues?  I swear, everyone out there just throws the "Unexpected delays due to Covid" label on everything. Sorry for the rant, I've been waiting 12 weeks for something that was supposedly "in stock" and I was given the "Covid delays at supplier" line.

Having the same delay issues with rocker arms. Many are the reasons why and almost all are valid. Workers who were hospitalized and can't or haven't returned to work, they died, supply of all metals quite short, interruptions in the supply chain for even tooling used to cut, form, stamp metal.....I could go on but lumber and used cars weren't the only now high priced in short supply items.

Here's another kicker: Cost of goods sold. If i were still in manufacturing (40+ years here, most in high level management) I'd be wary of what my plant's expected current and near-future costs will be. If my intake was priced at retail at $400 before COVID-19, I'd be damned stupid to keep that price today, 6-10-21, without even knowing how high raw aluminum will now cost me when it's in short supply.

Short answer: expect rapid and high price increases for the foreseeable future on lots of car parts.     

[WerbyFord]

I ordered an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and carb package 61 days ago today. This afternoon I finally received a reason for the delay. I was told, "..due to an intake machine malfunction we have no eta on your parts... we guess they'll be there in another six to eight weeks". I suppose stuff happens, so I guess I'll cancel the order and go with a Blue Thunder or a Streetmaster. Unless if I find someone who has a RPM intake stocked.

-- I think I'm leaning toward the Blue Thunder 427 MR intake. I found a 428 CJ HR listed, but I assume there would be a port mismatch with the 6090-N heads. I'm still new to the FE. I'll appreciate any suggestions.

401 cubic inches, 10.07:1, CJ heads (SS valves-3 angle valve job- light porting with bowl blend), Comp Cams springs, RPM cam and chain, Harland Sharp Roller rockers, Precision Oil Pumps end stands

What car / trans / converter / rear is it going in?

Still interested in an Ed RPM intake?

[Barry_R]

There are no parts anywhere for a lot of things.
The Covid deal crushed manufacturing during the fall, winter and spring.
The demand for parts has been pretty high because everybody had money and they were often stuck at home.
The inventory throughout the supply chain got consumed early on and manufacturing never had the chance to refill the shelves.
Not just finished goods inventory, but component and raw material inventory is depleted and cannot be replenished quickly enough to catch up with the pent up demand.

Some of the problems seem stupid from the outside, but still kill availability.

You might be able to cast a material. 
You might be able to mill and machine it.
You might be able to do everything except install a single required small part for which none are available anywhere.
And you have something that you cannot sell yet waiting on an outside supplier.

We recently ran into a similar situation where we actually had to make valve spring locators on the lathe because they were only sold by one source who had been out of stock for literally months.  So you source material, define some specs, and dedicate many hours on a lathe making parts that should cost $40 for the set.

[turbohunter]

^ Think I’ll use this time to fold up shop and move. ^

[wayne]

I had some parts from john deere that took a long time they said no truck drivers only half as many as they used to have at the wherehouse everyday

[Skeeter65]

390rpm, I sent you a PM.

[jayb]

I think the comeback of manufacturing after the pandemic is hitting everybody really hard.  For my business, I've had orders with my aluminum foundry since early March for my standard intake adapters, my high riser intake adapters, my cylinder heads, and my valve covers.  Usually I can count on a 3-4 week delivery from this foundry, but the first estimated ship date I got was late May, then it went to June 15, and just this week it shifted out to July 23.  Meanwhile, I'm out of intake adapters, and can't get the cylinder heads and valve covers. When I go to the foundry and look around I have never, in 8 years of doing business with them, seen them so busy.

It's not just automotive either.  I ordered more books from the printing company in February, but ran out in April, and they still have not delivered the order.  When I talk to them they say that during the pandemic, many of the smaller printing shops ran out of money and had to close up.  So, now that everybody wants their stuff printed again, the companies that are left are buried in orders.  Small customers, like me, have to wait.

Everyone has heard about the shortage of semiconductors and how it has stopped automobile production at the major manufacturers, but this problem is everywhere, and yes, the pandemic is largely to blame...

[390rpm]

Thanks for the messages and info guys. I think you guys are right about the manufacturing shortages. The issue is pretty much as Barry stated. It's kind of the perfect storm for the issues we've been experiencing. The longest period of free time for many people, money in their accounts, and the internet in their pockets-- coupled with half capacity manufacturing and the same issue worldwide, I'm not sure if it could have turned out any better. I'm sure everything will get ironed out.

I'll shoot you a message WerbyFord. I offered the guy on the Facebook link $200 (I would have gone 250ish) for the Street Dominator-- He wanted $500 and felt slighted. He told me, "good luck finding og intakes for 200". He didn't even counter. He told me he had $400 offers. I just know I've seen them go for around $250. Maybe I'm wrong?

[chilly460]

I have purchased them for $150 and 250 in the recent past which were admittedly pretty good deals, I just saw a bunch at Ford’s of Carlisle for around 350 seems to be market

[390rpm]

I wouldn't argue with that price. I'd just have to consider shipping.

[390rpm]

I ordered an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and carb package 61 days ago today. This afternoon I finally received a reason for the delay. I was told, "..due to an intake machine malfunction we have no eta on your parts... we guess they'll be there in another six to eight weeks". I suppose stuff happens, so I guess I'll cancel the order and go with a Blue Thunder or a Streetmaster. Unless if I find someone who has a RPM intake stocked.

-- I think I'm leaning toward the Blue Thunder 427 MR intake. I found a 428 CJ HR listed, but I assume there would be a port mismatch with the 6090-N heads. I'm still new to the FE. I'll appreciate any suggestions.

401 cubic inches, 10.07:1, CJ heads (SS valves-3 angle valve job- light porting with bowl blend), Comp Cams springs, RPM cam and chain, Harland Sharp Roller rockers, Precision Oil Pumps end stands

What car / trans / converter / rear is it going in?

Still interested in an Ed RPM intake?

Still debating the vehicle. Possibly a 1969 F100. We have a 66 Fairlane, 64 Galaxie and 61 Starliner as well. One of those four will get it. The trans will be a T-5 and gears will likely be 4.10.

[blykins]

I ordered an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and carb package 61 days ago today. This afternoon I finally received a reason for the delay. I was told, "..due to an intake machine malfunction we have no eta on your parts... we guess they'll be there in another six to eight weeks". I suppose stuff happens, so I guess I'll cancel the order and go with a Blue Thunder or a Streetmaster. Unless if I find someone who has a RPM intake stocked.

-- I think I'm leaning toward the Blue Thunder 427 MR intake. I found a 428 CJ HR listed, but I assume there would be a port mismatch with the 6090-N heads. I'm still new to the FE. I'll appreciate any suggestions.

401 cubic inches, 10.07:1, CJ heads (SS valves-3 angle valve job- light porting with bowl blend), Comp Cams springs, RPM cam and chain, Harland Sharp Roller rockers, Precision Oil Pumps end stands

What car / trans / converter / rear is it going in?

Still interested in an Ed RPM intake?

Still debating the vehicle. Possibly a 1969 F100. We have a 66 Fairlane, 64 Galaxie and 61 Starliner as well. One of those four will get it. The trans will be a T-5 and gears will likely be 4.10.

You may want to reconsider the T5.  They do well to last behind a 225hp/315tq Mustang, much less something with some ooompphh.

[Gaugster]

Just be patient and flexible I guess. I ordered my shifter for the 6R80 conversion before Christmas. It is supposed to ship tomorrow......

[390rpm]

You're probably right, but there are a few tricks to beef them up. I've seen stock 5.0's break them, but I've also seen boosted 5.0's beat on them (occasionally) without issue. I think its longevity depends on how much you beat on it. I have a T-56 and a Muncie or two, but I'm saving them for our GM stuff.

[390rpm]

Just be patient and flexible I guess. I ordered my shifter for the 6R80 conversion before Christmas. It is supposed to ship tomorrow......

I hope you get it. I try to be patient, but I'm finishing a degree before medical school, so I only get short periods of time between semesters to get anything done... or to even think about anything other than school for that matter. Haha, life is hard, but I enjoy messing with these old Fords and GM engines when I can.

[allrightmike]

Paying attention in school is a capital investment.

[Skeeter65]

I agree with Brent on the T5. I broke a couple of them behind my 285 HP 5.0 litre with a B cam and GT40P heads. After the last one broke, I ponied up (no pun intended) and bought a Tremec 3550. Never had another failure after that. I even swapped it into a 98 GT with the stock 4.6 and still no issues. I wish I kept it when I sold the car, but such is life.

[blykins]

I agree with Brent on the T5. I broke a couple of them behind my 285 HP 5.0 litre with a B cam and GT40P heads. After the last one broke, I ponied up (no pun intended) and bought a Tremec 3550. Never had another failure after that. I even swapped it into a 98 GT with the stock 4.6 and still no issues. I wish I kept it when I sold the car, but such is life.

I used to be a distributor for G-Force and Astro Performance T5 transmissions.  They are about as beefed up as you can get, with different gearsets, shaft supports, etc, etc.  Tony Sarvis used to tell me that even then, they wouldn't last long behind big block torque.  The case is weak and they just can't fit the size gears in them that they can with the larger transmissions.

[Rory428]

Agreed, the T5 is a decent transmission behind a mild small block, but a big block in a heavy truck sounds like a recipe for shrapnel. I ran a stock T5 for years in my low 13-high 12 second 302 Fairmont, but at 3200 pounds, thats at least 700 pounds like than a 69 F100, and a lot less torque. When I started racing my 85 5.0 Mustang in Stocker Eliminator, I thought the T5 would be adequate, as the Mustang was about 150 pounds lighter, and the Stocker engine only made about 285 HP, but within a year, I had twisted the spline on the mainshaft so badly, that I had to use a hammer to bang the slip yoke to remove the driveshaft, cracked the main case, and knocked several teeth off 3rd gear. After that first year, I had 3 broken T5s to show for my efforts.

[390rpm]

I've warned my dad about the T-5, but he has already converted it. His solution is to get a good scatter shield. I look at it like an LT1/LS1 with the stock 10 bolt rear. You drive it for years as long as you're easy on it. Haha, I'm sure everyone is correct about the T-5. If it ever makes it to Atlanta Dragway (before they close it RIP) I'll consider it a successful build. -- That's a different thread though.

[390rpm]

Thanks for all the messages and help guys. I bought a Performer RPM from Roger (WerbyFord). I appreciate the knowledge and experience shared. Now I have to get back to the shop and debate carburetors.