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Something for you Y-block guys...
« on: April 24, 2021, 07:36:15 PM »
Spent the last week pulling this out of a barn. '55 Customline 2dr, 272 3spd with overdrive. It had sat in there for about 35 years. So long that the barn had settled enough that I had to use a chainsaw to cut the bottoms of the doors off to get them open. Groundhogs had sunk the floor, but the car was originally sitting on thick oak planks....which had all but rotted away. Since it was sunk pretty good, and all 4 tires were flat, I was pretty worried about the floors and frame, but I was utterly amazed at what I found. You'll see in the pictures below. 





Rear wheels were locked up, so my old 8N was digging trenches to get it up and out of the barn. The rear wheels were just bulldozing stone, which was making it impossible to drag any distance with my small tractor. Once I got it out, I ended up having to make a cradle to put under the rear wheels just so I could drag it to where I wanted to.

It has some typical front fender rust, front and rear, and a little at the rear of the rocker and wheelwells. The doors don't sag at all, and you can close them with one finger. All the windows are smooth in their tracks. All the header panels, radiator core support, inner fenders and firewall are solid.







The car had mothballs in it for the longest time, but they had dissolved and mice had gotten at the headliner. Luckily, I don't see any damage anywhere else. Someone had put seat covers over the original seats, but the original coverings look to be in great shape. Not sure how long they would hold up though. Opening up the glovebox, it looked like new inside (NO MOUSE NEST!) and I even found the original Ford Warranty pamphlet. The rubber floormat is extremely brittle and just shatters when you push on it anywhere.

But here's where things got interesting. When I was finally able to craw under the car, I was surprised to see a thick layer of undercoating over the entire underneath. I mean over everything! The undercoating was still plyable, but once I got a finger under a spot I could just pull huge chunks off. Every single spot I pulled off, this is what I found underneath. Remember that this is a 100% original car, never damaged, never repaired, never repainted. Everything you see is factory paint.

The spare tire well, and a picture of one side of the rear trunk pan.





This is the underside of the front wheelwell, and a shot of the front panel underneath the battery area. For guys that know these cars, that is a bad rust area. Needless to say, I was just amazed!





The floorpans look the same...everywhere. I just couldn't get low enough to get a shot of them. The frame also has undercoating, so while it's surface rusted in a couple of areas at the rear, where the undercoating had recently fell off, the rest of it looks to be in amazing shape. Yes, I think I got the car out just in time!



The last time it was tagged was 1972. It ran and drove good when it was parked. Current plans, for the meantime, are to replace the entire brake system, get the engine running good (it wasn't stuck) and replace all engine rubber, put new tires on it and drive it the way it is, albeit not on rainy days. All the weatherstripping and rubber seals are in amazing shape, but I don't expect them to hold up once it sees sunlight. I'm really happy that it has overdrive, which has always been really hard to find for these older cars.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2021, 07:43:46 PM by cjshaker »
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2021, 07:42:11 PM »
That is friggin awesome.
Unbelievable that rust hasn’t got it.
Gonna be a great car.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2021, 07:46:52 PM »
what a find , I glad they are still out there , good for you with your plans .

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2021, 07:49:22 PM »
I also like the trucks in the background .

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2021, 07:57:48 PM »
I also like the trucks in the background .

The bumpside dually is what I pull my car hauler with.



The dentside is a 99.9% rust free F150 with a 390. Somebody made a mess of the engine bay wiring, so I'm fixing all that. It runs perfect. Not sure what I'm going to do with it when I'm done. It should be restored, and I could use a good fullsize that gets better than 9 mpg, but I currently am paying for insurance and tags for 8 vehicles. Not sure I can afford another...lol
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2021, 08:17:46 PM »
Very nice 55 Doug. Hard to find one that the front crossmember doesn't need replaced, but I'm sure this one is good. Was this in a barn on your place?
My dad is a big 55 fan and has one with a stroked 428 2x4.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2021, 07:49:17 AM »
Great find Doug, thanks for taking the time to tell us about it. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2021, 07:53:14 AM »
Wow, that's beautiful.  Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2021, 08:02:11 AM »
Hey Doug  Welcome to y block world.   We just need to build a killer 312 with a 4 speed and embarrass some of the local Camaros and Fox bodies. Plenty of knowledge on how to make those run on this site. Underside of that car is amazing
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2021, 08:30:41 AM »
Can't quiet tell from photos but the quarter window looks short, could it be a coupe? In any event a very nice find.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2021, 08:45:29 AM »
Sweet find ! What’s parked next to it in the first photo ?

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2021, 09:46:38 AM »
Very nice 55 Doug. Hard to find one that the front crossmember doesn't need replaced, but I'm sure this one is good. Was this in a barn on your place?
My dad is a big 55 fan and has one with a stroked 428 2x4.

Greg, yes, the front crossmember is super solid. The bottom grille cavity panel is typically rusted out on these also, but not this one. And yes, the barn sits on my property. The car had been sitting there long before I bought the place. Long story, and a long time to get my hands on it to get it out, but it finally happened.


Can't quiet tell from photos but the quarter window looks short, could it be a coupe? In any event a very nice find.

Mike, it's a Customline Sedan. A step above the Mainline. The Fairlane had a completely different top, much more streamlined, so it makes these cars look 'short', almost like the Business Coupe. The rear side windows do roll down.


Sweet find ! What’s parked next to it in the first photo ?

Eric, those are just body panels. I had a lot of sheetmetal stored in the barn. Those are 2 good doors to early/mid '60s Ford trucks and a good '65 Galaxie hood. The rest I had removed so I could get to the car.

Hey Doug  Welcome to y block world.   We just need to build a killer 312 with a 4 speed and embarrass some of the local Camaros and Fox bodies. Plenty of knowledge on how to make those run on this site. Underside of that car is amazing

Royce, besides your engine at EMC, it had been a while since I've played with a Y-block. Since I was in my early 20's, to be exact. I originally had plans of turning this into my drag car, but as you know, there's not a lot of room for a healthy FE exhaust in there, and I didn't want to cut on the car to get tires and headers on it. I decided that a serious FE drag effort would require some changes that I don't want to do to this car. I don't have access to a 312, but may try to scare one up for it. That stock 272 would struggle to keep up with todays traffic. Look forward to me picking your brain on occasion for some good Y-block info. :)

First question; what 4 spd's fit on these engines? Do you mean using an adapter and a toploader? I have a spare big in/out that I could use, but I do hate to lose that overdrive.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2021, 10:36:20 AM »
The early trans to bell housing Ford pattern works on a stick Y block. Keep yours eyes out for a 292 big truck engine cheap.. That gives you the best basics parts Some 57 heads and stock 4bbl 57 intake. and you are pretty much at 300 horse.. From there on up it's better parts and cash  lol.. it's not that hard to make 1.25 hp/cu without spending big money. Although, if your 272 is a good runner there are some improvements that should get you up in the 250 horse range without breaking the bank. A Maverick 8 inch or a 57 9 inch slides right under your car.
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
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1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2021, 10:53:15 AM »
no message/Great find!
« Last Edit: April 25, 2021, 10:58:18 AM by Joe-JDC »
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2021, 11:03:38 AM »
I have some '57 heads, just wasn't aware there were differences. Got a lot of research to do, I guess. I also have a '58 9". Not sure what the difference is between '58 and '59, but I'll find out.

I'm still not sure what you mean by "The early trans to bell housing Ford pattern works on a stick Y block". What early trans are you referring to? Early toploader? Because later ones have the dual pattern, but the inputs also changed. Except for the early starter, I'm not aware of differences in the bell housings.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2021, 11:49:52 AM »
Doug i have a small in toploader on my 292 Bolt on on a 56 bellhousing
Have to shorten input about 1/4 inch on small in toploader
Big in toploader is a straight Bolt on without shortening i believe
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2021, 12:15:44 PM »
Doug I was referring to the small transmission bolt pattern on the T-10 and early top loader.. This is what a Y block bell housing will have. A dual pattern toploader should fit, as Heo says input shaft length will need to be checked.. Your 57 G head has big valves and the smallest chambers, So hang on to those. Also those 57 rocker arms have a 1.54 ratio vs the 272 which has 1.43 ratio
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2021, 05:46:35 PM »
Thanks Heo and Royce, that's valuable info, and nice to know I already have some good parts to use on it.

Today I pulled out some of the NOS parts I have for the car, some of which I can use, some of which is for the Fairlane. Still have to pull down the bumpers and find the hood ornament and emblem.

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2021, 06:21:29 PM »
Sweet project, thanks for sharing and keep us updated.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2021, 10:52:38 PM »
Very nice, Doug! Get 'er running and enjoy it!

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2021, 01:55:35 PM »
My first car I bought with my own money was a 55 custom 2 dr. in bronze paint and tan interior with an AM radio 292 3 speed with OD.
Bought it in 65 and modified it with the usual speed parts and then parked it for my summer trip the Army sent me on.
Came back fron Nam in Dec of 69 and the air was still in the tires.
Got a jump from my cousin and the 292 fired right off.
Drove it for 6 more weeks while I waited for Ford to deliver my Shelby.
While in Nam I had ordered a 68 Shelby GT 500 KR conv from the Ford dealer in Da Nang, so didn't need the 55 any more and I sold it. Wish I still had it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2021, 05:16:37 PM »
speaking of which , did anyone read the article in hemming's muscle machines about the lawman mustang ?   

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2021, 02:41:59 PM »
I sure did and it was interesting.
They did 2 tours to Nam while I was there but I was in the field both times and missed them.
I didn't even know Ford had a ordering dealership untill I was on a 3 day R&R trip to Da Nang and I stumbled on their small office at the navy base and wandered in.
It was about a 12x18 room with all the latest info and pictures of the new Ford cars.
You could order your car there and after you got back to the states it would be ready in about 6 weeks or a little longer.
No down payment required.
Never saw a Chevy or Chrysler office while in Nam and I bet Ford sold a lot of cars from there.
The guys in my unit didn't believe I ordered a new [68] Shelby until I showed them the paper work.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2021, 08:26:28 PM »
thank you for your service sir , and thanks for buying a shelby .

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2021, 08:32:02 PM »
Cool find! Hope to see more pics as you progress on your plans for it.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2021, 08:55:56 AM »
That is just an outstanding find - very cool.  Would love to have something like that for a project. 

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2021, 10:02:12 AM »
I’m with Chris.
I would love to make a project out of one of these. I think the body is much prettier than the bow tie version.
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2021, 10:31:11 AM »
The whole 1950 decade had the Fords much nicer than the Chevys. Just look at the '53 Ford and '53 Chevy. How did GM ever sell any of those? I guess family following traditions.  My grandpa Hick had a black '55 business coupe that had a 272 and zero options. He had all his fishing gear on the back platform as there was no back seat. I thought that was just the coolest car ever made.
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2021, 01:55:44 PM »
The whole 1950 decade had the Fords much nicer than the Chevys. Just look at the '53 Ford and '53 Chevy. How did GM ever sell any of those? I guess family following traditions. 

Especially when Chevy was still using oil slingers to lubricate rods on their 6 cylinders, well into the '50s. Good grief!  ::)

 I finally got the rear brakes broke loose, after cutting off the drums. I tried prying them off for a couple hours before I decided it wasn't worth it. Amazingly, the backing plates and everything inside the rear brakes still looked good, but it will all get replaced anyway. While I had the car in the air, I started peeling off undercoating from the floorpans and found that they also look new. I did find 2 body mount spots where the undercoating had come off, and it will need a little metal replacement in those areas, but very little.

Next step is to replace all the engine and fuel rubber and to get it running.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 02:10:56 AM »
You are a better and more civilized man than I.

I'd have started hacking and butchering that car as soon as I had indoors.

That thing's crying for a tube axle and hacked fenders for a 12" cheater slick. Multi-carbed FE motor and fenderwell headers.

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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2021, 07:53:34 AM »
Neat barn hot rod. I'm amazed at how well preserved the underside sheet metal is. I'm with Tommy though, it would be an awesome gasser.

Dad tells stories of a '55 business coupe he hot rodded in the 60's. He said he had a fleet of T-10's for it. One for Friday night, one for Saturday night and one to get him to work on Monday.  8)
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2021, 08:19:07 AM »
You are a better and more civilized man than I.

I'd have started hacking and butchering that car as soon as I had indoors.

That thing's crying for a tube axle and hacked fenders for a 12" cheater slick. Multi-carbed FE motor and fenderwell headers.

It wasn't an easy decision, I can tell you. I originally had planned on making it my drag car, but not the gasser type. I had plans of a tunnelram and cutout wheelwells, but with the car being so complete and original, and being in such good shape, and with a healthy stash of NOS parts for it, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. There are better candidates out there for hacking and cutting one up. I also like my cruisers, so this will get some serious street miles on it.

I will admit though, it would look cool as a gasser.  8)
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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2021, 01:16:10 PM »
Just seeing this Doug and wow almost a time capsule. Was this car in your family I know you said it was there when you got there but we dont know who you bought the property from. As clean as it is hopefully it wont be to much work I know you have your hands in another project i believe.

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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2021, 08:53:23 AM »
Just seeing this Doug and wow almost a time capsule. Was this car in your family I know you said it was there when you got there but we dont know who you bought the property from. As clean as it is hopefully it wont be to much work I know you have your hands in another project i believe.

Joe, it wasn't a family car, but it was purchased off of the original owner by my Dad and stored in my Grandparents barn. I bought the property about 15 years ago. I chewed on him for quite a few years about letting it sit before he finally gave it up and I bought it off of him. It took me a few years to finally dig it out. I had bought some NOS parts for it many years ago, and together with some stuff that he had, there's enough NOS chrome to do the whole car. I've been selling several project cars over the last few years, along with a bunch of parts I had accumulated over the years, but this one will be a keeper.
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