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Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« on: June 11, 2020, 11:10:54 PM »
Has anyone ever done a SBF conversion with a C4 in a Lincoln LS. Maybe a 4.6 and 4R70W? I like the carb option better due to simplicity, but either variation would be interesting. Hood clearance would likely be an issue, but I wouldn't want to modify the hood. I appreciate the classy styling of the LS, but not a fan of the driveline--too many problems.

Just something I've been considering.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 01:14:49 PM »
There for a second I thought you wanted to put a chevy ls in a Lincoln. Which may be easier.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2020, 02:11:14 PM »
cammerfe here on the forum has a Lincoln LS car that has been swapped, he may have some input.

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2020, 08:20:58 PM »
There for a second I thought you wanted to put a chevy ls in a Lincoln. Which may be easier.

The only thing I'd put a Chev LS in is the dumpster out back.... ;D

Unfortunately, someone has put a GM LS in a Lincoln LS. There was one for sale around here a few months back.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2020, 10:55:12 PM »
cammerfe here on the forum has a Lincoln LS car that has been swapped, he may have some input.

Not swapped. I used the original engine to set the E/F CC/S record some years ago at one of the ECTA meets in Maxton, NC. (I still hold that record.) The engine that comes in the LS is an 'Americanized' version of the Jaguar/Aston Martin/Land Rover V8. My replacement engine is a four litre Jag, which bolts in with about the same sort of difficulty as changing a 302 for a 351. They're VERY similar but not exact.

Last time I looked you could get a 4.2 'blower' Jag engine in running shape for $2000.00 or less---as well as some for more. You'd easily have one in and running for less than an extra grand.

The only parts you're likely to find unreliable are the COP ignition coils. They are hidden under a 'dress-up' cover that holds the heat in. Replace them with Accel coils for a Mustang and leave the covers off. They'll run much cooler and last better. And easily fire a fuel mixture of C16, Methanol and nitrous oxide.

Expect to replace other items. After all, the LS was dropped after the '06 model year and is very likely to have 150,000 miles or more and not to have been maintained as it should have been. With a bit of TLC, you'll love it.

Look at LVC--- Lincoln V Cadillac---the website. You will find extensive information regarding all things Lincoln LS. And I'll be glad to offer any help you might need.

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2020, 11:53:00 AM »
@cammerfe,
Sounds like an interesting car, any photos to share?

I knew about the Jag connection, but not about the choices of engine selection. The coil issue aside, I'm don't know a great deal about engine problems with the LS, but it seems transmissions are a problem, from the sources I've been communicating with. I will check out the website you cited--just scouting out the possibilities at this point.

Thank you for the info.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2020, 10:29:30 PM »
For pictures, you can go to the LVC Forum website and look at the sub-forums. You'll find LS PERFORMANCE after the various Lincoln and Cadillac entries. Look in that sub-set and find 'Land Speed LS'. About the dozenth entry is a series of pictures I took at Maxton.

It is not unheard of for the band-apply servo pocket in the case of the transmission to wear prematurely. That same trans was used in Mustangs and there are places you can send a case for an upgrade in the pocket. I believe they install a sleeve. I simply re-flashed to increase the line pressure and I changed the shift points. I never had any trans trouble.

My methanol/nitrous oxide delivery system from NX---who sponsored me---was capable of adding as much as about 600 horsepower, although I never used more than about an additional 150. And having been told that the 2-3 shift was the fragile one, I didn't activate the spray system until directly after I got into third gear. I didn't purge the system either, so that the 'hit' would be less abrupt due to the vapor in the lines before the liquid nitrous oxide got to the intake tract.

When I set the record the first time, I registered the new record, and upped just the methanol jet by a couple of sizes. That raised the speed a bit more, so I did the same thing again---and went up another bit. But at that time I ran out of jets. My next step up would have been about 8 or 9 sizes, and would have required additional re-tuning. So I quit. I took the methanol out of the auxiliary fuel cell and put C116 in instead. That moved me to a different class and I set the record there too. I might have improved on that one as well, but it was getting late in the day and we effectively ran out of time. The ultimate score was four new records---the first three in E/F CC/S and the last one in E/F SS.

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2020, 11:03:36 PM »
One more note---

Some years ago I was doing a series on building an FE engine, for Mustang Illustrated Magazine. I needed some pieces that weren't readily available in normal channels and was directed to a guy who worked as liaison between Ford Performance and McLaren. He told me he could get me the parts and suggested I meet him at a nondescript location close by the Livonia Transmission Establishment. When I got there, it was immediately obvious that this place was where McLaren was doing some prototype work for FoMoCo. They had two projects in hand. One was a development of the Fiesta RS World Rally car. They had several of them there with strongly turbo'd engines and a heavily-developed all-wheel drive system. They were much faster around a road course than any 'vette available at the time. In essence, an all-wheel-drive roller skate weighing less that 2000 pounds and putting more than 600 HP to the ground.

The other project was doing what was necessary to put a form of 4.6 four cam engine in a Lincoln LS. Ultimately, they found it necessary to move some engine compartment items outboard to get necessary space and they also had to have cast several intake manifolds from magnesium. The magnesium was for weight savings and the manifold was much 'flatter' than the composite production piece. This enabled the use of a stock hood. The flow was at least as good as they had found with the composite version.

For their research, they were using a five litre variant of the 4.6 engine that was not yet in production. With other changes, it was supposedly putting 480 HP to the ground.

They found that it was not entirely feasible to load the engine/transmission into the engine compartment from the bottom,as a unit, as was the way things were done on the production line. I'm told that ultimately killed the idea for a production vehicle. If you used a dry-sump system you could make possible a lower engine placement in the chassis. This would obviate the use of the 'flat' intake manifold and remove the hood obstruction. I prevailed on them to drive one of their test mules around a couple of blocks and it certainly, in the test form, had brilliant performance. Too bad. It could have been a big seller.

As I said above, the most cost-effective swap would be to use a 'blower' Jag 4.2. Virtually everything would bolt up with little problem. It doesn't take much fabrication to use an 8.8 differential with limited slip in place of the production piece. And aluminum 8.8 'pigs' are readily available---used in both the Thunderbird and Mark-series Lincolns. Swap the roots-style blower for a turbo or two and have a thousand horsepower luxury daily driver. ;)

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2020, 11:29:40 PM »
I thought those Jag/Aston/Rover engines and the 2004ish TBirds was a version of the Mod Motor , maybe destroked and shorter deck height. Are they no relation?

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2020, 09:11:00 AM »
I thought those Jag/Aston/Rover engines and the 2004ish TBirds was a version of the Mod Motor , maybe destroked and shorter deck height. Are they no relation?

Interestingly, the AJ V8 was an in-house Jaguar design.  It shares no architecture with the Ford Modular family.  Ford manufactured a 3.9L version of the AJ domestically (Lima, Ohio) for the LS and the T-Bird.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2020, 04:50:48 PM »
I figured the 5.0 was a Ford Coyote in the cars and the others were just different bore and stroke 4.6 Modulars. They sure use similar specs.
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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2020, 09:15:18 PM »
I have a lincoln ls v6 I would like to do a swap on but in the commie capitol of the USA formerly known as California it would just be yard art. I love that car 398,000 miles one trans and a million oil leak repairs I had to buy the wife a low mile taurus. I am keeping it because someday we might move back to the USA then I will fix it and sell the taurus.

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Re: Lincoln LS Small Block Conversion
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2020, 12:10:58 AM »
I thought those Jag/Aston/Rover engines and the 2004ish TBirds was a version of the Mod Motor , maybe destroked and shorter deck height. Are they no relation?

Interestingly, the AJ V8 was an in-house Jaguar design.  It shares no architecture with the Ford Modular family.  Ford manufactured a 3.9L version of the AJ domestically (Lima, Ohio) for the LS and the T-Bird.
Found that out a few years back on a Jaguar timing chain failure. No matter how long I looked at it or wished the Ford cam timing tools would not fit.

KS, do you use the OEM replacement crank pulley bolt as is? I have only done two but refrained from removing the OEM "lock tite". Broke my home made flex plate stop on the second engine.