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JamesonRacing

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Re: toploader how much abuse will it take?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2012, 10:30:06 AM »
I have a TKO600 in my street Fairlane behind a 465" solid roller FE.  It didn't shift perfectly at 6500 out of the box, but after a mishap that broke the case, I sent the trans to Hanlon Motorsports for rebuild.  He added the carbon blocking rings and bronze shift fork pads.  Now I feel like Ronnie Sox bangin' the gears.  Using a McLeod alumimum flywheel and clutch package as well.

I had a CJ toploader in my racecar for a short time....split the case in half, went downhill from there.  Wish I had the coin for a G-force trans.
1966 Fairlane GT, Silver Blue/Black 496/C4 (9.93@133)
1966 Fairlane GT, Nightmist Blue/Black 465/TKO (11.41@122)
1966 Fairlane GTA Conv, Antique Bronze/Black, 418EFI/C6
1966 F250 C/S, Rangoon Red, 445/T19
1965 Falcon Futura 4-door, Turquoise, EF! Z2363/4R70W

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Re: toploader how much abuse will it take?
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2013, 06:28:56 PM »
Be aware that face plating is NOT the same as "pro shift" "slick shift" or "crashboxing" a transmission. Slick shifting or crashboxing normally involves removing a number of the small syncronizer teeth on the gears, which provides a larger "window" for the slider to engage with.
Pro shifting, as done by Liberty, involves cutting off the syncro teeth from the gears altogether, and replacing them with welded on pro shift rings, that have much wider, pointed rectangular lugs, and are used in conjunction with sliders that have had sets of the syncro grooves machined away, again providing a larger window for engagment under WOT shifting. Both of these modifacations typically require semi regular trans teardowns to adress burred up or damaged lugs and sliders.
Faceplating is how drag race transmissions like Jericos and G Forces are built. It is similar to how motorcycle transmission are built. Instead of a row of small syncro style teeth around the gears, and coresponding grooves in the sliders, a face plate trans has a number star shaped rings attatched to the gears, and the sliders have ramped slots, that engage with the arms of the stars. With this setup, when a shift is made, even if the slider slot doesn`t immediatly line up with arm of the star, because of the ramp, it will ride the ramp, and pop into the next available slot. Unlike the other styles, routine teardowns are not needed, as there are no sharp points that need to be dressed with a die grinder. I have 2 Jericos, and the trans in my 331 SBF 85 Mustang(10.29ET@128MPH)  has been in the car for 5 or 6 years, and I`ve never had the cover off yet. The Jerico in my 427/454 FE Fairmont (9.97ET@132MPH) has been in the car for 12 seasons, other than replacing a broken 3rd gear a few years ago, it too has remained untouched. All the sliders and star rings are origional, and have never be touched up. Other than changing the trans oil every 2 or 3 years, the Jericos are almost maintenance free. If you were to send a Toploader to G Force, I believe that they can only faceplate 3rd and 4th gear, as the star ring design requires special hubs, that won`t work with a regular syncro stype 1 rst gear. However, they can retain the stock 1rst gear, Pro shift 2nd, and then faceplate 3rd & 4th. My buddy ran just such a G Force modified toploader in his high 10 secong SB 64 Comet for a couple of years, until he bought a Jerico DR4. A few benefits to the Jerico are weight, strength, and a multitude af different gear ratios. With theToploader, you are pretty much limited to either the 2.32 or 2.78 factory 1rst gear ratios.  Dave Kee does offer a 2.90 1rst gear ratio, but I know several guys who had the 2.90, and broke them it thier 10 second cars. The 2.90 gears may well hold up on a slower car, or a car without slicks. Of course I wouldn`t consider any of these types of mods, or the Jerico to be very street friendly, although I suppose they could be tolerated on a limited use weekend warrior.
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH