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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2021, 02:21:50 PM »
If you can borrow a pair of 4224 Holleys(660s), you may find an additional 12-15 hp over the 1850s.  I have not had as good luck with the 1850s on my Tunnel Ram, or Tunnel Wedge as I did with 750s or 660s when racing.  Just something about how the metering works enough different to make a difference.  That engine looks much bigger than the cubes would indicate.  LOL.   Hope it helps.  Joe-JDC

Seems that is roughly what my customers who upgrade from my 1850's to 660's always seem to see.
For the street, 1850's are really cheap and easy.  For racing, 660's cannot be denied, jokers just work as is, with no real changes, great design.
I know they are a step up in cost, but for a dual 4160 use dyno mule, I would think mechanical secondaries would be much more repeatable.

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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2021, 03:09:21 PM »
If you can borrow a pair of 4224 Holleys(660s), you may find an additional 12-15 hp over the 1850s.  I have not had as good luck with the 1850s on my Tunnel Ram, or Tunnel Wedge as I did with 750s or 660s when racing.  Just something about how the metering works enough different to make a difference.  That engine looks much bigger than the cubes would indicate.  LOL.   Hope it helps.  Joe-JDC

Seems that is roughly what my customers who upgrade from my 1850's to 660's always seem to see.
For the street, 1850's are really cheap and easy.  For racing, 660's cannot be denied, jokers just work as is, with no real changes, great design.
I know they are a step up in cost, but for a dual 4160 use dyno mule, I would think mechanical secondaries would be much more repeatable.

Do you take trade ins?  I know the guy who built these.  Should be worth something.
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2021, 03:41:52 PM »
I've got a stack of people that want 1850s. Want me to put you in touch with a few?
660's wouldn't be ready until fall if you wanted some.

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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2021, 04:08:13 PM »
Brent, can you remind me again of a couple things on this 352:
* The LSA=106 but I cant find, where it the cam installed? ICL=???

* What does the exhaust look like? Pipes? Dyno mufflers? Backpressure measurements?

The Gonkulator thinks it should be making more power than it's making (with the new heads & dual quads), trying to figure out why.
Maybe it really DOES want to be Black, a proper Ford 352 color?

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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2021, 04:17:36 PM »




That's the catz azz right there.   That will be the last upgrade I want to do to the wagon motor.  Time will tell if I get to dyno it when I do the switch or just bolt it on and go?  I've been running my trusty old 1850's, but I could steal the 660's off the blower motor and try them?  Though the blower motor really likes them and finding/buying another pair is not really in the cards.  ;D

I do have one question.  Can someone get me an overall height to the top of the carbs(or intake for that matter) so I could see if it will clear the teardrop hood on the wagon with no air cleaners.  I'll likely end up cutting a hole and doing a pair of vintage gold velocity stacks to finish off that 70's look.  Maybe I look at getting a fiberglass flat hood and have it painted?
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2021, 05:05:08 PM »
Larry, when I was measuring the TR for a shipping box, it was 12" tall.  There are several knorbs on the bottom for bolt bosses that protrude, but overall, I think it is right at 12".  Joe-JDC
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2021, 06:14:16 PM »
Brent, can you remind me again of a couple things on this 352:
* The LSA=106 but I cant find, where it the cam installed? ICL=???

* What does the exhaust look like? Pipes? Dyno mufflers? Backpressure measurements?

The Gonkulator thinks it should be making more power than it's making (with the new heads & dual quads), trying to figure out why.
Maybe it really DOES want to be Black, a proper Ford 352 color?

Cam is installed on a 105 I think.  Exhaust is my normal dyno stuff.

I don't think it's making the horsepower it should either, that's why I'm trying different stuff.   For one, I think I spec'd the existing cam with more overlap than I need, so that's why I have another cam here waiting.   I also think the engine needs a different intake manifold layout (plenum, runner length, etc.) than the ones I've tried. 
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2021, 07:16:16 PM »
Brent, can you remind me again of a couple things on this 352:
* The LSA=106 but I cant find, where it the cam installed? ICL=???

* What does the exhaust look like? Pipes? Dyno mufflers? Backpressure measurements?

The Gonkulator thinks it should be making more power than it's making (with the new heads & dual quads), trying to figure out why.
Maybe it really DOES want to be Black, a proper Ford 352 color?


Maybe degree the cam again just as it's been run in the dyno?
It fits better with about a 101 ICL in the Gonkulator but again just hunting.
For an intake maybe try something good but small like that 390HiPo intake IIRC you have on hand already?
small intake but it's such a small engine.

Take all the plugs out & check the turnover torque?
Then take the rockers off & try same? Ie is something "tight" in there?
Cam is installed on a 105 I think.  Exhaust is my normal dyno stuff.

I don't think it's making the horsepower it should either, that's why I'm trying different stuff.   For one, I think I spec'd the existing cam with more overlap than I need, so that's why I have another cam here waiting.   I also think the engine needs a different intake manifold layout (plenum, runner length, etc.) than the ones I've tried.

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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2021, 05:11:50 AM »
Brent, can you remind me again of a couple things on this 352:
* The LSA=106 but I cant find, where it the cam installed? ICL=???

* What does the exhaust look like? Pipes? Dyno mufflers? Backpressure measurements?

The Gonkulator thinks it should be making more power than it's making (with the new heads & dual quads), trying to figure out why.
Maybe it really DOES want to be Black, a proper Ford 352 color?


Maybe degree the cam again just as it's been run in the dyno?
It fits better with about a 101 ICL in the Gonkulator but again just hunting.
For an intake maybe try something good but small like that 390HiPo intake IIRC you have on hand already?
small intake but it's such a small engine.

Take all the plugs out & check the turnover torque?
Then take the rockers off & try same? Ie is something "tight" in there?
Cam is installed on a 105 I think.  Exhaust is my normal dyno stuff.

I don't think it's making the horsepower it should either, that's why I'm trying different stuff.   For one, I think I spec'd the existing cam with more overlap than I need, so that's why I have another cam here waiting.   I also think the engine needs a different intake manifold layout (plenum, runner length, etc.) than the ones I've tried.

Werb, I've had the rockers off and on about a dozen times since the engine was built, even switching from my non-adjustable rollers to T&D streets.   

When it was new, it took 7 lb-ft of continuous torque to keep the rotating assembly moving.  I would imagine it's a little less now.   Nothing wrong with the bottom end, I watch the oil temps and check the filter every time it's dyno'd. 

The cam is going to stay where it is until I change to the new one.  I can't go 101 because I run out of piston/valve clearance.  I degreed it at several positions when I installed it. 

I don't have a 390 Hipo intake here. 

It's certainly an induction system issue and I'll find it sooner or later.
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2021, 02:04:37 PM »
Larry, when I was measuring the TR for a shipping box, it was 12" tall.  There are several knorbs on the bottom for bolt bosses that protrude, but overall, I think it is right at 12".  Joe-JDC

Thanks Joe.
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2021, 09:37:45 PM »
Brent, FWIW I have always picked up power with the 660s on a tunnel ram.  This has been the case with 450 Holleys, BJ-BK Holleys, and run of the mill 1850s.  You should try to find some 660s to test with - Jay
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2021, 05:46:15 AM »
I'll see what I can do.  Plan to dyno on the 1st, I'll see if I can find a set before then.
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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2021, 06:51:02 AM »
Brent, FWIW I have always picked up power with the 660s on a tunnel ram.  This has been the case with 450 Holleys, BJ-BK Holleys, and run of the mill 1850s.  You should try to find some 660s to test with - Jay

Just for the dyno I wonder if a pair of re-bowled & metering-plated 650 double-pumpers would work?
Same venturi & throttle, mechanical secondaries, you'd lose the secondary pump shot but probably no need for that on the dyno.
Maybe an idea if 660s are hard to find.

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« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2021, 08:54:01 AM »
Brent i have a 390 Hipo intake and a set of 660s that would need kits if you would want to borrow them.

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Re: Dyno’d the 352 again today, with a BT MR 8V this time....
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2021, 09:03:17 AM »
I appreciate all the offers and help.   Jay is sending me a pair of 660's and I'll also have a pair of 715's coming for a Tunnel Port build that I can try if I get frisky. 

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