I got a very early 361 engine out of a 1958 Edsel being scrapped about 12 years ago. The VIN indicated it was in the first 4000. (still have the tag) # 3711. As stated it was a Hydraulic lifter engine and has the core plugs in the ends of the heads. I sent Werby the cam for him to document. I've also got another set of the EDC-C heads I bought on HAMB (core plug and machined chambers) but will have to check and compare dates.
Date on the VIN seems to be Dec 22 1957.
Richard >>> FERoadster
Near as I can tell there are as many as 4 cams from the 1958-59 era.
1. FER sent me one, the EDD / b8a-a early Edsel hydraulic, and
2. Sunjet sent me another, the early Ford Interceptor EDC solid.
These are both the super-hi-performance (LOL) early cams.
3. The 1st cam was replaced due to its "rough" idle with a super-wimpy cam for just the Edsel maybe.
4. The 2nd cam was replaced with a more streetable hyd cam, the "300hp" grind that went thru 1965.
That's a rough guess of the story, and from there things get even rougher as I've tried to measure and guess the durations.
Here are my best measurements on Cams #1 and #2 and guess for #3. The cams were both worn so allow some slop there.
1. 196-196-156-156-110 This might be what later became the "M" Bird 390/340hp hyd 6v cam
2. 202-206-162-167-112 This might be what later became the "P" Ford 390/330pi solid cam.
3. 182-182-152-152-114 Probably for a super-smooth Model "A" idle speed.
4. 186-186-154-154-111 These specs are quite firm though I don't know exactly when this cam came out. I assume late 1958.
I also wonder if Cam #2 evolved into the 206-206 390/330pi solid cam from 1961-65, and then evolved into the early 390GT 206-206 hydraulic of 1966. Then the exhaust lobe got opened up in late 1966 to become the 390gt/428cj cam we all know and love.
I wonder too if Cam #2 was meant as the true Interceptor cam. When combined with the intended 10.0 CR, machined early chambers, early HiRiser iron intake (ok its only 1/4" taller.....) and that excellent early AFB carb with the Holley-style vacuum secondary and NO UGLY FLOPPENVALVE, making the 352/300 an honest Gonkulated 300hp engine. This would not be surpassed until 1961 when the 390/330pi came out.
Here’s what the Gonkulator is saying about the various early FE combos. As you can see the “horsepower” is all over the place:
RPM/100-Torq-RPM/100-Power-Description
28T357 45P275 361/303 early 58 Edsel, 9.9cr 196-196 hyd cam
27T355 45P260 361/303 later 58 Edsel, 9.9cr, 182-182 hyd cam
31T353 50P300 352/300 early 58 “Interceptor” prototype 10.2cr, 202-206 solid cam, early intake, big vac sec AFB
This would have been the hot ticket thru 1960 and given those truck-motor HiPo 348’s a hard time had Ford kept it as an option.
30T347 48P281 352/300 early 58 “Interceptor” production, 9.6cr, 202-206 solid cam, early intake, smaller AFB
Probably typical of a well tuned early 58 352/300
27T349 46P271 352/300 late 58 to 60 production, 9.6cr rated, 186-186 hyd cam, later intake, 4100 autolite 1.12
Starting to get very similar to the 1964 352/250-4bbl remix, with even lower 8.9cr.
27T334 44P256 352/300 1958 Tbird with scrunched up steering box exhaust iron and 9.0cr as measured.
You can see how quickly the very reasonable “300hp” degrades into 260-270 hp as a more likely production figure.
That’s assuming a good tune!
Ford really should have kept that honest 352/300 solid cam with the big vacuum AFB as an option to go up against Brand X, and offered a 352/270 rated engine as a “family torquer”, if you dare use “352” and “Torque” together. But they didn’t, and that’s that.
I’m always refining data for the Gonkulator, especially this early stuff. The story of the early 430 “Bulldozer” is similar, what we ended up with was quite a bit wimpier than the mean 430’s of late 1957.