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frnkeore

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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2020, 02:13:42 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but, no matter the ratio of each component, the molecular weight of each component, doesn't change. 
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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2020, 09:09:33 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but, no matter the ratio of each component, the molecular weight of each component, doesn't change.
No argument on that front. My point was that per the same unit of volume, an atomized fuel has less molecules compared to the fuel in liquid form. We can approximate the weight since we know the ratio of air to fuel.
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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2020, 09:48:32 AM »
Well, that's a lot of book learnin' but the more important state of matter is going from a liquid state -drops or atomized- to a vapor state.  The mass doesn't change, but fuel expands 600 times, so if you have a lot of fuel reaching a vapor state in the manifold, you have to account for that volume in your flow assumptions.  You would probably never build one or have anything to do with one, but some interesting reading comes from exploring the vapor cycle engine.  You may have heard of this engine from references to the late Smokey Yunick.

Building a wet flow manifold presents some very difficult challenges since, as has been observed, you have to account for differences in mass and trying to keep a homogenized mixture.  We know inertia makes that a nearly impossible task and this is where an intimate knowledge of the science and being able to animate the dynamics in your mind distinguish porting pros from pikers.

It has been said that the late Dale Earnheardt could "see the air."  Yes, I know that isn't possible without a tattletail marker, but I believe you can have an intuitive sense for being able to dynamically process what the air is doing and will do.  Maybe you don't have to be right all the time, but maybe a high percentage is good enough and you can then back that up with evidence of your results.  This is where those pro porters come in.  We have a hand full here who I believe can look at a port and come up with some pretty accurate conclusions on how it will perform.

The one thing I question is that if it is common knowledge of the deficiencies of some designs, then why don't the manufacturers incorporate revisions in their molds to correct the things that are not right? 

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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2020, 10:01:32 AM »
Hood clearance and carburetors are no longer a priority for the industry.  EFI is the new norm.  If you take a look at the Parker Funnel Web intake, the LS intakes, the CHI intakes, you will see the best of the best carbureted intakes available today.  Some of these questions are not pertinent about fuel weight, mass, speed, etc., in this forum.  Joe-JDC
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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2020, 11:51:00 AM »
The one thing I question is that if it is common knowledge of the deficiencies of some designs, then why don't the manufacturers incorporate revisions in their molds to correct the things that are not right?


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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2020, 12:10:33 PM »
Hood clearance and carburetors are no longer a priority for the industry.  EFI is the new norm.  If you take a look at the Parker Funnel Web intake, the LS intakes, the CHI intakes, you will see the best of the best carbureted intakes available today.  Some of these questions are not pertinent about fuel weight, mass, speed, etc., in this forum.  Joe-JDC

Has anybody used a Funnel Web or CHI intake manifold with Jay's adapter on an FE?

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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2020, 01:03:43 PM »
So I’m back to my original question ,which of the modern FE single planes has the better port/port balance?

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Tunnel ram. Problem solved :)

You didn't mention anything about hood clearance issues, it solves the flow distribution from unequal runner lengths, solves the fuel reversion from hitting the plenum bottom. Yep...tunnel ram.
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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2020, 01:14:15 PM »
Tunnel rams.  The universal elixir for a happy life. ;)

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Re: Modern Single Plane Intake Flow Questions
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2020, 07:18:22 PM »


Tunnel ram. Problem solved :)

You didn't mention anything about hood clearance issues, it solves the flow distribution from unequal runner lengths, solves the fuel reversion from hitting the plenum bottom. Yep...tunnel ram.
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Yea I’d like to keep it under a Mustang hood....

Interestedly my friend ran a tunnel ram darn near under the hood of his 65 Falcon with a 302. With a pair of tuned VS 600 Holleys it ran very well both on the street and track and even got decent MPG. It was only cold start that gave him trouble because he didn’t use the choke.

Thank you everybody for keeping this conversation going .
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