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My427stang

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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2019, 08:11:51 PM »
Well, there we go...

That's a 256 adv duration cam, and likely the quench is above .070 and compression is a bit high for the cam .

I'd estimate your compression to be near 9.4 or so, could even be more, and with a cam that short, you'd need to be at 9:1 in a truck, essentially with your tire, weight, gear combo make it about equal to a 2.87:1 geared car with street tires.  There is quite a load on that 390 and likely it's fighting itself inside with loose quench.

It would be nice to take a good look at the build, heads off, and see what you really have.  Which head gaskets, which pistons, how deep in the hole, what the chambers measure, but the behavior seems accurate

It really depends where you are in terms of static compression, but my gut tells me cheapest way out is a 4 degree retard of the cam to 110 ICL, (assuming the compression isn't above 9.4 or so) and then set the distributor up to match the build, to include vacuum advance,  and you'd likely be better, have more torque and be easier on fuel.  The cam is small enough to still have plenty of torque with 401 cid

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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2019, 08:17:41 PM »
That number equates to a Comp Extreme
Advertised Duration 256/268, Lift .487/.493, Ford, Big Block FE

Seems kinda stout for a long legged, big tire truck with a tight converter.
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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2019, 08:49:28 PM »
The 390 is in my 79 bronco . It also has a 4 speed transmission

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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2019, 08:57:01 PM »
Read what I wrote, if your compression was lower not a bad match, but my guess is just too much compression for that cam, combined with a likely loose quench. 
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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2019, 09:07:01 PM »
The 390 is in my 79 bronco . It also has a 4 speed transmission

Oops, sorry, forgot that detail.   Been a few weeks since I saw the first page LOL!!!
The gearing is still not real optimal on a truck 3spd(creeper, correct?).  So I'm sure it falls out of powerband easily.
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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2019, 06:17:38 AM »
427 I did read what you wrote. Thanks.  I may just have to live with it for now. This is a complete rebuild and I am not going to tear the engine down. Thanks for all the replies

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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2019, 11:53:39 AM »
You need to find the problem. An engine knock will break a piston or ring in short order. 
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Re: labor knocking
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2019, 01:26:42 PM »
427 I did read what you wrote. Thanks.  I may just have to live with it for now. This is a complete rebuild and I am not going to tear the engine down. Thanks for all the replies

If you aren't going inside, I recommend you graph the timing curve as it is now, from idle to max timing, then two choices, retard it overall by running less initial, or recurve it to have a little less where you are seeing the ping

However, a Saturday project you could retard the cam 4 degrees and retune and it'd probably be happy
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch