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69Shakar

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Engine life expectancies
« on: June 27, 2019, 07:29:37 PM »
I’m getting closer to have the finances to build my 390. My Torino is a ps,pb, c6 with 2400 stall,3.25 gears 28” tires that being said for heads I’m leaning towards trick flow, rpm intake, cam ? something in the area 550-600 lift to take advantage of the heads breathing, I’ve kicked around stroking it from 416,431 or 445 looking at pro and con of each trying not to judge based on power output .... the 416 would seem to have a longer life span due to piston stability from the longer piston as compared to the others.  i assume there is less friction and more of rocking motion with the shorter pistons but does it shorten engine life with faster wear?

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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 08:38:38 PM »
Fuel wash down from carburetion, thick ring packs, and lower grade oils, and weak ignition system were the bane of engines before fuel injection, thin rings, and synthetic oils.  If you use a good forged piston, thin rings, and tweaked carburetion, synthetic oil, you should have an engine that will last thousands of miles regardless of which stroke you pick.  A good balance job, and regular maintenance, high energy ignition, and you should be worry free.  Joe-JDC
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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2019, 08:50:08 PM »
Looking at modern engines, LS and Coyote have fairly short pistons so don’t think it’s a big concern. As stated, oil and state of tune would be more of an impact

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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 08:16:50 AM »
The 302 I have here has old heavy TRW forged pistons, 1965 289 block bored .030, ARP fasteners, stock rods, old style 5/64 moly ring pack, flat tappet hydro cam, ported GT-40 iron heads.  It runs either the tunnel ram with dual 600 Edelbrocks or the air gap with a 650DP.  It's been to work daily, street/strip, thousands of rounds full strip in front of a 4500 stall C4 and 4.56 gears, been in the Winner's Circle at many drag strips.  I built it in 1996.  It's had one set of rings and bearings, done at the time because it was a checkout/preventative maintenance type tear down, not a required rebuild.  The heads have had one set of valve seals for the same reason.  Other that that, change the oil once a year and it just runs. 

The 351C is about the same - old TRWs, 5/64 rings, stock rods, stock crank, has easy over 4000 drags trip passes plus some street miles.  Built in 2006.  Last time I was in it was 2010.  Changed rings and bearings as part of racing maintenance, but the bearings came out looking new.  Flex-Honed the cylinders for fresh rings and its in the car now. 

Just buy quality parts, check everything twice and pay attention to all the little details.  Put it together clean - and I mean clean like you can lick the bores or deck surfaces type clean.  Thing happen even with the best work, but usually taking care of the little details makes for a sound assembly.  Modern materials make for great motors these days.  Even the old pistons in the 351C were within .0002 of nominal published diameter.  The Molnar rods, Scat crank and I-Forget pistons in the dragster were things you could use to calibrate your micrometers.

The 393C in the dragster runs a 3.85 stroker with short skirt pistons.  Don't have any issues with that motor either but it's strictly race and will come apart for tear down/checkout this winter.  After 2 years running hard.
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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2019, 11:48:41 AM »
Chris:
I have you ever weighted a TRW C8AX pop up piston for a 428?  I had a set of those slugs in the engine I just tore down.  They took a ton of material out of them and lopped off the dome and they still are heavy as hell. I can see why some FE Ford rods let go.

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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2019, 04:39:57 PM »
Keith,

Not Chris but I have some interesting info on the pop-up TRW 428 pistons. I am ass-u-me-ing that the Ford pistons are the same as the TRW L2294 with .125 dome on the standard bore version.

According to my 1983 TRW catalog, the standard bore L2294 weighs in at 627 grams.

To put this into perspective, the same catalog has the 428 Cobra Jet replacement, the L2303, in at 681 grams at standard bore.

None of this makes the old TRW's a light piston. But the L2294 especially with the dome removed, is a helluva lot lighter than the CJ dished slug.

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Re: Engine life expectancies
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2019, 06:02:31 PM »
Tommy, not the right piston. C8AX-6110-C pop up that looked like the 427 12.5:1 pop up.  Reath automotive worked them a bit and thinned the pin bosses down as well as when the assembly was balanced.

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