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427 side oiler block ?
« on: May 06, 2019, 06:26:28 AM »
I am looking at a 427 side oiler block. Has an oct. 1967 date code. Block is .050" at 4.28". Has been pressure tested and magged good. All machine work is done and has been 1/2 filled. Thing that concerns me is it has sleeves in cylinders 5 & 6. The sleeves are thin wall with a flange at the top (deck). Work was top notch. He wants $2,000 for the block. 

This will be for a street strip weekend car.  Think it would be ok? Thanks

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Re: 427 side oiler block ?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 08:25:18 AM »
My opinion would be to stay away from that one.  Sleeves are great, but two sleeves right next to each other causes the deck between them to be thin, and prone to cracking after a few heat cycles.  Seen it before...
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Re: 427 side oiler block ?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2019, 09:54:54 AM »
Hi Jay, thank you for the reply. Yes cracking at the deck was the concern. Have read about your experience in the past. Guess what has me wondering here is that the sleeves are flanged at the top. They basically touch and the fire ring would be on the sleeve how it is. Would this support the deck or does it not make a difference? Thanks

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Re: 427 side oiler block ?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2019, 11:16:03 AM »
I don't think the flange at the top would help, and it might even make the problem worse.  What you really have to be concerned about is the thickness of the deck between the sleeves.  For example, if you put two 0.090" wall sleeves into a 427 block, and have to bore each hole to 4.375" in diameter to press in the sleeve, then you will have reduced the thickness of the area at the deck between the bores to 4.63" (FE bore spacing) - 4.375", or about a quarter inch (0.255").  Factory blocks do not have siamesed cylinders, and the deck is only about an inch thick, so you have this 1/4" thick, 1" tall piece of cast iron supporting the deck and adjacent cylinders.  This is the problem.  Cutting more off the deck to seat the flanges makes the area even weaker.

Now, one potential way to do this is to bore for a sleeve that is smaller in diameter so that you leave as much of that material between the bores as possible.  I don't know what size sleeves are commonly available, but custom sleeves certainly are.  If you could bore a stock block to a 4.25" or 4.28" OD, press in a sleeve, and then bore the ID to the required size, you would have a lot more material between the bores. 

Usually, however, you sleeve a block because of some significant damage to the cylinder.  So probably the whole original jugs were cut out, meaning that it was bored oversize much larger than stock, and left the thin spot between the bores.  Any idea why the block was sleeved?  Or better yet, what are the outside diameters of the sleeves that were installed?  That would give you a better idea of how much material was removed between the bores.

There are more knowledgeable engine builders than me here who might be able to answer this question more effectively.  For me, as originally stated I think I would steer clear of that one, unless I had a lot of detail on the sleeve installation and felt comfortable with that.

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Re: 427 side oiler block ?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2019, 12:31:18 PM »
Understand now. Think I am going pass on it. As for why was sleeved he said coolant was leaking into cylinders 5 &  so guess was some pits in the cylinder walls. Seems at .050 over problems pop up. Thanks