TO MOLEST A NOS,....427 SIDE OILER ?

[427HISS]

Nope, no engine at all.

Just as a question, would you rather have a stock, relatively low HP & TQ of a side oiler,
or 550- 600 HP/TQ,  FE 390 (or the like) aftermarket engine ?

[427HISS]

Just found this ad. (won't need the tranny, brake & shifter)

DESCRIPTION- $9,500

1968 fe 427 side oiler, have cast numbers, fresh rebuild 2013,10.9/1 comp. 150 lbs comp, currently run in my 1966 ford fairlane, runs excellent, no smoke no drips, hydrolic crower cam, high rise manifold, selling with monster built c-6 tranny ,trans brake, and 3 speed hurst shifter. great setup, building a 1000hp engine for track so no place for fe, every thing included, whole setup just put in and go .

[Yellow Truck]

I'd love to have a side oiler. Maybe just me. To be clear, you had a line on an NOS 427 - was it a block, assembled short block, or a long block, and by NOS do you mean never run? Last, what was the asking price?

[427HISS]

The first was on ebay, which was just the block for $5,250.
Second was almost running engine for $12,500.
The one guy I talked to for only a couple of minutes, had to stop our conversation as he found out a family member was at the ACU.
We haven't spoke, but I hope soon. He has at least two, maybe more.

[Yellow Truck]

eBay is always interesting. I don't see any proper 427 blocks on eBay at present. A partly assembled engine is always a tough decision, and $12,500 is a big number. Even an engine running in a car may be at the limits of its bore and starting to crack, and you can't tell.

[Drew Pojedinec]

Maybe I am just not understanding the situation here......  This is how it appears:

1. You are broke but want to know if you should buy a NOS sideoiler block
2. You are too broke to throw a junkyard engine in while you wait to build a proper engine
3. You are impatient, tho have no money and in the same breath are asking about a $5200 NOS block
4. You recently got screwed on a bad engine building deal and wish to back up this experience with buying an overpriced unknown engine from a unknown source (yet, you are broke)

This is why I stopped being in business for myself and went offshore to work.....

In order for anyone here to give honest and real advice these things need to be known:
-Money available
-Time frame of the project
-HONEST expectations of the car in regards to performance

[427HISS]

I just cringe, of buying a used engine and taking my chances, so I know I'd have to take it apart to at least check the bearings, and sure even further. TRUST,....is a big issue, especially from ebay, you just never know. 

I would feel better if I purchased a block or a short block from a trusted engine builder.
From Craft Racing, I just looked and his short block from Pond, is over 10k. OUCH !

I know there's better pricing, just saying........

$5,500 for a short block 428, Service block is better.

http://www.craftperformanceengines.com/Item/short_428465sp

[427HISS]

Don't you believe in RESEARCHING, and other purchase's in life or do you just wing it, through money out of your wallet at what comes along and hope it works out ?

Not be bro.

I have enough funds for a block and with the sale of my 360 sprint car parts (382 stroker, injection, filter hat, brakes, suspension etc) and other  items, is when I can actually start buying more parts.

When I know what I want by researching, talking with other FE guys, reading forum threads etc,...I'll build the engine that I really want, and not just spend a low amount of money to build a crappy low HP/TQ engine, when I could save that money for the great one.

I'd rather wait and build a motor that I'll be really happy with, from the get-go. 

[427HISS]

Here's another side oiler I found. You may not want to reuse the rods, cam and slugs though ?
The price seems high, don't you think ?

His email so far.

From: DAVID
Date: 7/2/2016 11:13:45 AM
To: 427hiss@windstream.net
Subject: Re: Your NOS side oiler.
     

"Kevin,
The 427 SO is in Excellent Condition. No rust or pits in any of the cylinders. It can be put back together with all of the Original/NOS parts. Pics coming soon.
Dave"

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NOS 427 S.O. Shortblock
July 1 2016 at 10:03 PM Dave S  (Login 55428ford)
Members
 
I have a New Old Stock 427 FE Short Block I am going to sell. It still has the FORD ID tag on it. $7,000 Complete. May Separate.

 Here are the details.

 NOS 427 FE Side Oiler, Hydraulic Lifter, Service Block dated 2G6 (July 6, 1972)
 NOS STD./STD. C5AE-C Forged $ Crankshaft with screw in plugs & FoMoCo STD. Main Bearings
 NOS C6AE-E 427 LeMans Rods, Bolts & FoMoCo STD. Rod Bearings
 NOS C5AE-6110-AU MR Pistons with FoMoCo STD. Rings
 NOS C3AZ-AA 427 Solid Lifter Camshaft. (VBX) Advertised Duration 306/306, Lift .500/.500
 NOS FoMoCo Nylon Timing Gear Set
 The Complete Shortblock was sprayed with Cosmoline years ago. I cleaned the Ctankshaft, Pistons, Rods, Cam and Bearings. The Block is partially cleaned but some of the Paint Dabs were coming off so I didn't complete the cleaning.

 May separate.....
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[427HISS]

Bump....

[Drew Pojedinec]

Don't you believe in RESEARCHING, and other purchase's in life or do you just wing it, through money out of your wallet at what comes along and hope it works out?

Yes, I spent three years saving cash and figuring out every detail for this engine project that I just completed:
http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=3868.0;all

Difference tho, is I knew what I wanted.
500-550hp but not sacrificing daily driving in my 63.5 Galaxie.  I previously had a 400hp non-original style engine in there, wanted to use an FE and also bump up the hp a fair bit.

I also knew what I had in funding (Around $10k)

I wouldn't trust any shortblock/longblock/complete engine/bare block
I consider non of them to be any good without checking.... so that is factored into the cost.

My issue with your build is you appear to be all over the place.
You wanted 600hp in a cobra, than you look at a NOS shortblock 427 (which isn't gonna get ya anywhere close, nor would you want to use half the parts in there for any high hp build), you are also considering a 428 shortblock which is putting you even further from your stated hp goals.

that $7000 shortblock, I wouldn't consider running it without a visit to the machine shop and a cleanup.  For a hair more money you could have an aftermarket block/stroker shortblock that would be more in line with your horsepower expectations.

good luck

[427HISS]

You just stated, "I spent three years saving cash and figuring out every detail for this engine project"

That's exactly what I'm doing, saving up money and figuring out EVERY,....detail of what I want, so not much difference between us.

I'm sure you also were,.... all over the place as well as me. Unless you had a engine vision from God. lol

The only place that I would trust buying a short block is from a handful of out FE specialist engine builders. If it was from just a guy in his garage, then of course I would dig into it before assembling the motor. I'm not un-savvy ya know, I do have experience with engines and all types of cars, mild to wild, except the FE's.

Yes, apx 600 is what I want, but that depends on what I can afford, and the type of engine, as there's a LOT of different way to construct a motor that will suite my wants and needs.

If I buy a NOS, it won't be 600 HP, unless I buy new stroker rods, maybe a crank, etc. But, that defeats the purpose of having a total (or near) NOS engine.   

You did a lot of research, and I'm sure, that you were also all over the place, so am I,.....so, I see no issue her bubba.

Quite frankly, I don't see what your problem is with my researching ?

But, if you have something positive to say and help with, feel free to do so. 

[Drew Pojedinec]

Good luck.

[cjshaker]

You did a lot of research, and I'm sure, that you were also all over the place, so am I,.....so, I see no issue her bubba.

Quite frankly, I don't see what your problem is with my researching ?

But, if you have something positive to say and help with, feel free to do so. 

"Bubba"?
Hmm,  I think I see the issue now.

[427HISS]

lol......