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Chassis or engine dyno?
« on: February 13, 2016, 11:41:26 AM »
Well I am getting close to getting my engine together, now I need to figure out how to tune? I am using EFI port injection and have my harness and PCM. Is it possible to make it all work as a stand alone? I would need O2 sensors, MAF sensor and other stuff to make it work. I would think my exhaust and drivetrain would have a big effect on my final product also. I am going to be running a stick in a heavy truck so I changed my gearing to a 4:10. Thing is not too many shops have a chassis dyno and the expertise to tune my vehicle around here.
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Re: Chassis or engine dyno?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 03:06:44 PM »
I think an engine dyno is much better.  Think about it.  On an engine dyno you have isolated the engine from the vehicle.  This makes it easier to make the engine make more power.  There are less extraneous variables to cloud the numbers.

As installed in a vehicle and run on a chassis dyno you have lots of variables that have nothing to do with the engine whatsoever.  Tire pressure, rotating mass after the flywheel, torque converter (if an auto), correction factors, etc, etc. 

On an engine dyno you basically have the actual torque and hp an engine makes, and a correction factor.   That's it.  That makes it easier to see small changes in power from the changes you make.  I would say a good engine dyno will be within about 1% from run to run.  That means that if you have a 500 hp engine, each dyno run should be within 5 hp.   This makes it relatively easy to see the small effects of tuning changes.  On a chassis dyno there are so many other variables that a small positive tuning change could easily be masked by some other variable changing at the same time.

The ultimate engine dyno is the track.   You can't argue with the final result.  The second best engine dyno is an "engine dyno".  You can make changes and see the results faster than track results.  The third best engine dyno is a chassis dyno.  It can be useful, it's just the least useful of the three, in my opinion.

My recommendation is to use an engine dyno first.  Then fine tune at the track.  I picked up over 30 hp on my last engine by tuning it on an engine dyno, just from carb jetting, ignition timing, and carb spacers.

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Re: Chassis or engine dyno?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016, 06:45:56 AM »
Do both if you can and use them to tune, not compare numbers. 

If you can't do both, I'd rather see you do an engine dyno just so if you have an issue, leak, etc, it will be easier to fix.  Unless you are fixated on hp numbers, then the goal should be checking engine integrity and the tune.

Chassis dyno numbers are going to be much lower but it would allow you to see what's going on and tune with your actual exhaust, air cleaner, etc.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 06:47:54 AM by blykins »
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Re: Chassis or engine dyno?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2016, 11:24:03 AM »
I have no knowledge of what you are using for a PCM but that is a factor especially for drive-ability. I have used an SDS from Western Motorsports and it works well and is easy to tune. Using an engine dyno to help dial it in for power works as already stated. Then driving on the street and tuning for driveability at part throttle. That is when it is nice to have the wide band O2 sensors installed. A friend had some issues with his vortech supercharged 2012 Mustang. A local tuner with a lot of experience came to the dealership and hooked up his lap top and in about 20 minutes had everything working great! If you do not have the experience ..find an experienced tuner. Definitely worth it.