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bn69stang

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So are the 428 c j blocks in the same range of strength as the 390 blocks , bout the 550 hp range without being cross bolted ? .. Bud


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For what it's worth, my general rule of thumb is that an FE 2 bolt block with wall thicknesses of at least .125" are probably good to 600 HP in most applications.  Where they would have a problem is in a stick shift vehicle at the track, where you are dumping the clutch.  They probably won't last forever in that application.  I also figure that the factory crossbolted blocks are good to 850 HP with the same caveat about track use.  And I don't know where the limit is on the aftermarket blocks, but it is way past 1000 HP.  Just my opinion, with no facts to really back it up.  If I was going to build a 550 HP FE and spray it, I think I'd get it crossbolted...
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So are the 428 c j blocks in the same range of strength as the 390 blocks , bout the 550 hp range without being cross bolted ? .. Bud
Comparing my C6ME 428 and 105 D4TE 390 4.050 bore block, I would say the 105 block is the better block.
Especially for a high power build. jmo

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The D4 blocks are a little more beefed up then the c6 block. It seams to be thicker between the mains and the cam. I would go with the D4 JMHO...
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It gives me something to think about then for sure , if it s  750 to a 1000 to cross bolt an older 390 or 28 block i would have to consider putting that towards a garage block or pond block then and just get cubes , hp  and some peace of mind .. Bud
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I have a few of the D3/D4te blocks to work with... Last time my 390 in the truck was dynoed at 450ish hp and tq.... I found another 4 tenths in the qtr mile since then so I think I'm between 450 and 500 hp already.... I want to build a 445ish stroker and I'd hope it would be around 550 hp just by adding the extra 50 cubes and having more compression and cam.. Werby's program says I'm close... Guess  I will have to consider cross bolt main cap options... I don't want to wreck a new rotating assembly from block failure.... Thanks again guys


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Cody Ladowski
1976 F-100 stepside
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7.38 @ 91.5
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I agree with you my friend , that s where i am with a 463 build and don t want to wreck the block or the rotating assembly .. Bud
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For what its worth, when I started racing my Fairmont in 1988, I was using the same 390 that I had previously used in my 64 Falcon.It used a .030 over D4/105 pickup truck block, stock 390 crank, main studs, a set of new in the box LeMans capscrew connecting rods with SPS bolts. At that time, the Fairmont weighed 3200 lbs with driver, and had a C6 transmission with a 4500 stall convertor (no trans brake at that time)
Footbraking the car at the track, it ran a best of 11.42@119mph, but after a while I decided to try some nitrous on it.After starting out at 125HP jets, I switched to 175 MP jetting. The car picked up a bunch, best of 10.28ET at 132 MPH, but at Bremerton Raceway in 1989, approaching the finish line, there was a load bang, strong vibration, and I was sliding around in my own oil and water at 130 NPH. After I tore the engine down, I was suprised to find the main webbing between the cam and crank had torn out, and most was laying in the oil pan, and the crankshaft had broken into 5 pieces. Although several were badly bent, none of the LeMans rods broke. There were some photos of the carnage of the FE Forum years ago, some may recall seeing them. With such destruction, it was impossible to determine if the block or crank let go first, causing a chain reaction. I have never ran any "power adder" stuff ever since. Also, I would have to think that a longer than stock stroke would tend to load the block more than the stock crank I was using.
Subsequent 428 blocks have shown signs of main cap fretting, and one split the main webbing between the cam and crank at #2 & 4bulkheads, using a stock 428 crank.
I have been running the 427 block/428 crank in the Fairmont the past few years, but if I decide to build another 428 block for the car, I will have it crossbolted. Personally, since the girdles are located by the main cap and oil pan bolts, I can`t really see how a girdle would be of much help. Its not as if the oil pan bolt holes are a snug, precise fit.
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There is, or was, an outfit around St. Louis, Missouri that was doing an even more elaborate sort of multi-bolt main cap installation than ProGram. A quick search just now didn't turn anything up but if you have interest in that direction it might be worthwhile.

It took more block prep than the PG approach.

KS

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There is, or was, an outfit around St. Louis, Missouri that was doing an even more elaborate sort of multi-bolt main cap installation than ProGram. A quick search just now didn't turn anything up but if you have interest in that direction it might be worthwhile.

It took more block prep than the PG approach.
KS

I think the outfit was Bessel.

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Well I'm probably putting the carriage in front of the horse so to speak but I ordered some steel cold rolled bar stock today with the intent of machining my own caps... I made a test piece out of aluminum yesterday and it seems to fit the block registers well... My design will differ from the others I've seen as I don't plan on having to cut into the main webbing like the program caps do... Which was the main reason I didn't want to use them... Well and they seem a little pricey although I don't know if program provides fasteners with their caps or not.. The design I came up with would seem to be a cross breed between the pro gram caps and the factory 427 caps... I haven't decided how many I'm going to make yet as I don't know how much spindle time there is going to be in each set... Finally I can try to use my education for something FE related for once :)


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Cody Ladowski
1976 F-100 stepside
390 C6 9 inch
1.56 sixty ft.
7.38 @ 91.5
11.79 @ 111.5

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We've modified Pro-Gram caps to use OE style spacers and clear the webs (except for the spot needed for the bolts of course).

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My cap design leaves the top of the cap real close to even with the pan rail. The cross bolt bosses on the cap ended up being 1 by 1 square and will require a spacer to bridge the gap between the pan rail and the cap... Slab milling the side of the pan rail obviously is required but hopefully it will have very little if any affect on the main webbing's integrity. I planned to locate the cross bolts closer to the pan rail than the original 427 caps.  Now I wish I had a mill big enough to fixture a block in so I could install them myself... Other problem I have is I don't trust any of my local shops to properly install them... Seems I will have to make a road trip somewhere.


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Cody Ladowski
1976 F-100 stepside
390 C6 9 inch
1.56 sixty ft.
7.38 @ 91.5
11.79 @ 111.5