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FE Technical Forum / Re: Mustang Borgeson steering box
« on: March 14, 2022, 08:11:41 AM »
That is good to know !! If you get a chance could you snap some pics of that area on the 68 ? The hooker takes that drastic of a turn leaving the head to fit eh ? Hard to believe that the 1 3/4s make that much of a difference. I too used some existing holes to route the lines in from the wheel well leading up to the pump which mounts in the valance area.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Mustang Borgeson steering box
« on: March 13, 2022, 04:58:51 PM »
Thanks . Im trying to bridge the gap between race car and fun to drive street car without crippling it so I can take it on some drag and drive events . As you know thats a tough space to operate in and do well in either direction. I will put together a thing for the projects section once this all get done but heres a couple of other shots. I am fairly certain I am the only R code 70 in the world with a late model Mustang 3 link grafted into it. This system (And some of the parts) is what you find in the 2012 CJ .
I did the Watts simply because you cant beat it in either arena for rear stability...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Mustang Borgeson steering box
« on: March 13, 2022, 02:23:24 PM »
Yeah the stock stuff clearly works , but what a mess !! I mean look at all that is involved in that deal under there . Dont get me started on the M2 stuff out there... I have installed plenty of them over the years but I wouldnt put them in a serious car . They limit travel horribly and then there is everything else that comes with that setup . Yeah I know that a ton of guys run limiters anyway but thats never been my thing. I want the front end to cycle unhindered , or atleast as much as possible , struts give you the best result...Me working with an original R code in this instance I am doing what I can get to get everything I want and stay in the box and not cut the sides out of it if you know what I mean . Before anyone goes jumping on me  , I get it.... Its a cheap solution to an issue and I know plenty of guys get them to work  . I get all of why people do it... Its just not my thing for a bunch of reasons , travel being at the top of the list.
Here is a shot of the stub out before I start the leg down and it blocks the shot . and one of the bottom side . I am going to die grind a bit off that bolt boss on the box and this should be fine even with some heat wrap on it. NO , they arent going to end up exactly equal in length , but they arent horrible either.

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FE Technical Forum / Mustang Borgeson steering box
« on: March 13, 2022, 11:02:17 AM »
Posting this just so the information is out there . I wasnt able to find anything other  then a blurb on an obscure forum saying that the box will not work with a FE mustang.  A conversation with JBA yielded a little more info that they had indeed modified a set of their headers to go on a 390 mustang some years back but didnt pursue making it a thing.
This Box has a good ratio and its a power box so it removes all of that nastyness from under the car . You simply use all manual steering parts to get it hooked up . I am using an electric Ford/Volvo power steering pump on it and although the car hasnt been driven yet it steers pretty easy sitting here on an epoxy floor with most of the weight on it.
As for the exhaust....... Well I looked at how many sets exit that port and I dont believe there is a set out there production wise that will bolt on. Ive never had any stock CJ manifolds but I highly doubt that will work as well given what you can see here in this pic.
Will have to put some time into this tube as well as mill this 3/8 flange a bit but I think its doable . You can slide the engine back some if you have the adjustable engine mounts but if you do with power brakes that ends the possibility of you using very tall valve covers. I have a set of Jays covers on there now and I can maybe go back 1/4" .
I may end up removing the box and milling as much material off that boss as I can as well as the 1/4" scoot...
In short , the box will go and it will work. But not without some pains... Personally I cannot stand the factory power steering setup or the ratios that come with it so I guess its worth it...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 504" Cougar
« on: March 07, 2022, 02:14:02 PM »
I saw this the other day when it popped up . I instantly noticed the curley Que headers and thought they must be REF . That X pipe does everything for that exhaust note... I am doing the same thing right now with 3.5" stainless oval pipe ..

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NO way its legal to have this much fun.........

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Power PCV plate?
« on: February 19, 2022, 11:17:09 AM »
There is a better one floating around out there on ebay as well. Might be a blue thunder. Has the basket and the top plate and whole deal . I too wondered how effective they were. Can you ditch the valve cover ports all together if using one ?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 19, 2022, 11:13:51 AM »
Yep , and the polar opposite of that would be the mustang . Personally I feel that the damage is done not 3 inches from the heads and all the other work you are putting in really doesnt help you to overcome that. Im sure that somewhere along the line Jay has Run a mustang header and a truck header on the same engine on the dyno and could tell is that is indeed the case.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 18, 2022, 10:55:28 AM »
Thanks Rory  , thats pretty much exactly what I was looking for. I value the packaging much more than a few horses  , hell , even up to 20 Horses if they look cleaner and can easily be taken on and off for service of items. I think I can get 4 and 8 to the right length without too much trouble and just cross them over .

My biggest issue with Dougs header design is that the tire rods fall down onto the tubes of 3 and 7 with the front suspension at full extension which can be a bit un nerving for the first 100 feet or so... . Not that the Dougs would work with this starter or steering box anyway.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 16, 2022, 07:33:20 PM »
So there is the rub . To get a 2 or 2 1/8 into collector on either side you then have to do some pretty stupid things with the tubes to keep them at about 40"  . In the mustang chassis this means tight bends around in circles

For instance , cyl 1 and 2 is right about 40" total length . Number three you can get the 40 without too much gymnastics , but some  , well now that youve done that number 4 is simply a nightmare. Doing number 4 without what youve done with number three wouldnt be bad but you had to do it so now here we are... If we cross that 4th tube over then it removes it from the equation and keeps its length and you do your 3rd tube and go have a drink or a smoke or something...

If you want to pack them all into their individual collectors you end up with this https://i.postimg.cc/C5hnJBGR/REF-FE-Headers-Mustang-Cougar-390-with-automatic-006-rs.jpg . Mind you , you still need to steer the car and that mess is all kinds of hindering that endeavor !!!! I would love to see those things on that cougar in detail to see just how its woven around the steering components.

Bob , this one isnt getting much for mufflers......

Thanks for the input guys

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FE Technical Forum / Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 16, 2022, 10:38:48 AM »
OK , so I am about to start on this set of 2" stainless headers for this 70 and I wanted to get some opinions on cross overs. Dougs has the rear tubes crossing over and it actually is quite handy for a couple of reasons . It helps with installation and starter access and using up tubing to get length  .
Does anyone have any real data either way on if this helps or hurts power numbers significantly ? What if two were crossed over ? I dont know that I would have a need to do that but its a nagging question .
I want to pick these up about an inch higher than the Dougs and have them allow for a T Pan as well . If I cross that last cylinder over or the second to last then I am only left with one problematic tube for length and there is plenty of room for it at that point... If you dont cross over you are left with that curly q deal going on that REF employs...

If Crossing over lets say hurt the engine a couple of HP I feel its still worth it in most cases just for the ease of packaging and maintenance.. Not the class guys that need everything they can get out of what they have of course.

Thanks
It just ocured to me that I should have put this in the all thigns FE headers thread.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rocket scientists , heat shielding
« on: February 15, 2022, 09:41:23 AM »
Thanks guys , I cant seem to find the fire shield yet but this thing looks decent... What concerns me is that "Hook and loop" I cant swallow that they created 3000 degree velcro.....

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Engineering-010478-Protection-Closure/dp/B002R4XMPM/ref=sr_1_73?crid=35E9QGKC992ZR&keywords=fire%2Bshield&qid=1644935929&sprefix=fire%2Bshield%2Caps%2C72&sr=8-73&th=1

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FE Technical Forum / Rocket scientists , heat shielding
« on: February 14, 2022, 06:34:19 PM »
I am sure with all the rocket scientists I see here posting someone can give me suggestions on what the best sleeve or tube would be to shield a wire going rom the solenoid back to the starter post in the gap between the headers and the block skirt.... Ive fooled with some of the sleeve material over the years but it wasnt anything to get excited about . That area in there between a set of 2" headers and the block has got to be just stupid hot..

Thanks

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Private Classifieds / JBA 6654S Headers SOLD
« on: February 13, 2022, 03:52:17 PM »
Bought these thinking I could modify them a little and get them on the car but between the borgeson box and the AOD I would have to cut on them pretty good . Someone may need them as is . By the way they turn in at the collector I would say C4 or 4 speed . $600.00 and the ride . Will consider trades.....

Thanks

Kyle

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FE Technical Forum / Re: back brace for 9 inch rear
« on: January 11, 2022, 09:10:37 PM »
Oh yes , shooting for perfection is exactly what I did with the heavy bar and precision bushings . Thats about when it all goes south trying to get that mess back out of the housing post weld because it has moved even with the bar in there and the cursing begins ......


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