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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 06, 2018, 08:43:10 PM »
Same principle, just more holes to plug. 

On factory FE blocks, you watch close for the oil passages going from the cam to the mains and from the cam to the decks.  On aftermarket blocks, you check everything, including the side main galleys. 

For water, anything is game on a factory block.  On aftermarket stuff, I've found most issues are in the lifter bores.
Brent (and others),
How does a new block have drill-through of side main galleys?  I'd think today's CNC capability would be head and shoulders above 1960s technology, plus the aftermarket blocks are often beefier than the originals.

AC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 06, 2018, 08:41:16 PM »
Yep, that's it.
Keith,
Would love to see pics of your set up--corking all the bearings, lifters, dizzy, etc. seems tough, but if it prevents a problem down the road I suppose it's worth it.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 06, 2018, 01:39:53 AM »

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 05, 2018, 10:00:54 PM »
Rubber plugs in the mains, held in place with aluminum pucks and the main caps. Have used old bearings as well.  Grippers in the cam bearing journal's, have also used old mis aligned bearings here as well.  Improvisation..
Thanks!  That helps me visualize it (although I'd still love to see a picture or watch a video).  What are "grippers" in the cam journal?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 05, 2018, 02:52:53 PM »
I use my manual hydrostatic pump and soapy water to pressure test both coolant and  oil passages. Works great and there's no doubt when and where a leak may be.
How do you seal all of the oil openings, especially the mains and cam?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 05, 2018, 09:16:45 AM »

You can also pressure test the oil passages, which will find a drill-through on an aftermarket block, crack in a main/cam passage, etc. 

Most shops that are equipped to do it have the specialized plugs/manifolds to block whichever holes need to be checked.   They will put 30-40 lbs of air pressure through and watch for a leak-down over time.  If it leaks, then they will start spraying around with a soap/water solution looking for bubbles.
Brent,
It's pretty easy to understand how to leak check water passages of a bare block before assembly, as that system is supposed to be pressure tight.  The oil system, however, is supposed to "leak" internally to distribute lubrication.  I guess I don't even know how many oil openings there are in an FE, but there have to be about 20--2 for the oil pump, 2 for the oil filter, 5 for the main bearings, 5 for the cam, 8 for the top end (I probably missed a few--maybe 30)?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 05, 2018, 08:52:26 AM »
On factory FE blocks, you watch close for the oil passages going from the cam to the mains and from the cam to the decks.  On aftermarket blocks, you check everything, including the side main galleys. 

On my SOG block, Blair found two pin-holes in the lifter valley, along the inner cylinder wall area. Probably from vent areas on the casting process, but they were not visible to the naked eye. He showed me with air pressure and spraying the area with a soapy solution. I'm glad it was checked, because I probably wouldn't have done that and that would have been a quick disaster. Brent has it right...ALWAYS check.
How did you fix it, or did Blair just junk the block and start over?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:52:29 AM »
Brent,
Thanks.  I’ve found a video of a Bristol 6 cylinder oil galley test, but nothing on an FE, which I’m guessing is trickier.

AC

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FE Technical Forum / FE Block Pressure Test Video?
« on: January 04, 2018, 11:24:01 PM »
I've searched without luck on information for which passages are and are not tested as part of an FE pressure test.  Can someone point me to a video, cut-away drawing, etc. that makes it clear?

Thanks!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Power at the PRI Show
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:23:03 AM »
Jay,
Good luck at the show!  Thanks for posting these--great stuff!

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At the risk of asking a stupid question, how do flat hydraulic lifters compare to solid flat tappets or hydraulic roller lifters?  I originally wanted hydraulic roller lifters (seems to be the popular thing to do) in a mild 482 FE side-oiler (BBM block), but my engine builder claims to have had a lot of issues with hydraulic rollers in FEs so he put in hydraulic flat tappets.

Here's my take.  In general hydraulic flat tappet cams are less "aggressive" than solid flat tappets and hydraulic rollers.  By aggressive I mean the steepness of the lobe, how fast the cam moves the pushrod up as the cam lobe turns.  I have to say in general because there are all sorts of cam grinds in each type of lifter.  There are some pretty aggressive hydraulic flat tappet grinds and there are some very mild solid lifter and hydraulic roller cam grinds. 

I don't know what issues your engine builder had with hydraulic rollers, but they're used all the time.  Maybe he had valve control problems at higher rpm?  If you're under 6000 rpm it doesn't seem to be a problem.

My opinion is that on a big engine like a 482 you're probably going to have a cam with a good amount of duration, even if it is a fairly mild build, just because of the cubic inches.  In that case I would think a hydraulic roller could make some significant gains over a hydraulic flat tappet.  The greater duration gives the roller cam more time to blast by the flat tappet and create more area under the curve.   It can hold the valve open further for longer, even if the 0.50" duration is similar.

JMO,

paulie
Thanks.  I tried to send you a couple PMs, but not sure if they went through.
Evan

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At the risk of asking a stupid question, how do flat hydraulic lifters compare to solid flat tappets or hydraulic roller lifters?  I originally wanted hydraulic roller lifters (seems to be the popular thing to do) in a mild 482 FE side-oiler (BBM block), but my engine builder claims to have had a lot of issues with hydraulic rollers in FEs so he put in hydraulic flat tappets.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: MSD Upside down
« on: November 24, 2017, 12:42:14 PM »
I should have specified the 6AL is the one I’ve heard there were issues with.  The noise seems pretty bizarre—aren’t the 6ALs solid state?  What’s in there that could make noise?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: MSD Upside down
« on: November 23, 2017, 11:46:41 AM »
Not to hijack Heo’s thread, but I’ve heard there have been reliability issues with MSDs, and mounting upside down is not recommended.  The mounting direction makes no sense to me unless the cooling fins are blocked and the electronics cook, something a lot less likely in the passenger compartment than engine compartment.

What are people’s experience with MSD reliability?  Does anyone carry a spare?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Planning a New Stroker Build
« on: November 10, 2017, 12:51:50 AM »
Guess it depends on the end use.  In my case, breathing will be limited by the air filter under a hood without a scoop.  Combine that with restrictive under car exhaust and I'm not sure how much extra CFM of heads matter.  In my case it's all about torque, not HP.  Intake and head velocity is important, volume less so.

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