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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands ?
« on: February 09, 2022, 03:22:15 PM »
I installed a set of Dove's for a customer's engine build and found them very functional. The Dove design actually permits you to preload the rocker shaft toward the head and works well even with the, moderate-high pressure, solid roller springs. I doubt that I would recommend that rocker arrangement for a race setup utilizing race spring pressures; the individual shaft type race roller rockers are needed to take advantage of those ultimate spring pressures.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands ?
« on: February 08, 2022, 10:22:20 AM »
SSdynosaur, did you know Dave Straton? He was one of the parts guys. He lived here in Westfield NY and moved down there in the 60s and came back when H&M got out of racing. A real wealth of info and knew the parts system in & out.
Sorry but I don't recall that name. One of the attractive points of dealing directly with H&M was the staff treated established customers like family even if you weren't spending thousands on a Grand National roller. During the '65 NHRA season, Crane Cams offered free cams in exchange for advertising while everything I got from H&M was cash. Even so, it took five iterations of Crane's cam designs to just get close to the H&M performance. H&M was updating their cam/valve train designs about every six weeks but, most importantly, I never received an "updated" version from them that didn't outperform the version it replaced.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands ?
« on: February 06, 2022, 04:46:57 PM »
I too relied on Holman Moody for FE advice and parts during the '60/'70 era. A relationship was formed with both Joe Rumph, H&M's cam grinder and dyno operator and Paul Norris, an H&M employee that was entrusted with driving and maintaining the A/FX Mustangs that Ford financed under the H&M banner for a drag racing presence. It begs the question, where else would you go for the best real world information on FE engines?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands ?
« on: February 06, 2022, 01:48:44 PM »
The first valve train stabilization solution was in the form of thick-wall, special metallurgy rocker shafts which appeared late '68, early '69 seasons. The problem was that those things were outrageously expensive for their time and didn't completely solve the problem; although they helped cut deflection by 50-60%. By 1970 several racers had fabricated their own versions of "end stands", mostly from steel, and successfully anchored the ends of the shafts, negating the need for the expensive shafts and, actually, eliminating shaft deflection. It was only a short time until shops like Pro Stock Engr., etc., copied the racer's designs in aluminum and began offering them for sale.

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It depends, there were different versions. The early version was made with a horizontal shelf, molded to the inside, beginning at the front edge of the wheel opening and extending forward along the upper edge of what was a formed recess for the bumper extension on the steel version production fender. The "shelf" was intended to provide an attaching point for each side of the one-piece, fiberglass bumper/fender extensions that was part of the early series cars. NHRA rejected the design, proclaiming only metallic bumpers would be accepted for Super/Stock so Ford made a run of aluminum bumpers which were provided for delivered cars and DST changed the build on the remaining cars to include the aluminum bumpers. Later fender design was altered to, mostly, replicate a production steel fender. I'm not certain of the number of the exact first car that DST built with the revised bumper but there are members of this forum that have that information. Effectively, the first design incorporated the front lower fender extension and the bumper ends (the molds were made using a '63 Fairlane bumper design instead of the '64) into a single piece that had the appearance of bumper and replaced the lower grill valance.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Solid Roller
« on: January 30, 2022, 12:09:32 AM »
The Comp Cams design engineer participated in a seminar for "Engine Labs" a few months back and when asked the same question replied that their in-house spintron testing revealed that, tested under nearly identical  circumstances, the bushed roller required nearly three times the continuous volume of oil to survive as did the bearing roller. One could deduce from those results that a block without lifter galleries would not be an ideal situation for bushed roller lifters.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Cryogenic Processing
« on: January 03, 2022, 01:27:10 PM »
I converted a wet magged FT 391 crank to to 2.200 rod pins x 2.00 wide leaving the mains at -.020 FE size for service in an NHRA SuperStock engine. I nitrided the crank and cryogenically processed the entire piece. It developed 3 major cracks after 36 quarter-mile runs and took up residence in a dumpster. My conclusion, if you begin with sub-standard material, no matter what band-aid you apply you still have a sub-standard piece in the final analysis. I understand that a number of racers and, especially, parts suppliers are touting the benefits of cryogenic processing but you need to ask yourself whether or not this is simply to enhance the bottom line. Scientifically, the theory seems rational but the treatment cost may be better invested in obtaining a, metalurgically, superior product in the beginning. Just relating personal experiences.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Xmas
« on: December 28, 2021, 03:23:31 PM »
Heo, my deepest sympathies on the loss of your father. The loss of a close family member is something we never get over, we simply learn to live with the loss. Obviously, you have many treasured memories of your time with him. Godspeed.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Crazy Tommy
« on: December 20, 2021, 08:37:43 PM »
Heo, you just made my day! Again!!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Genesis Block Failure
« on: September 26, 2021, 11:19:26 AM »
You will probably want to have your crank carefully checked. Worst case scenario, if you hadn't had a billet piece you may have driven over most of your engine on the track. Good luck in the future.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Genesis Block Failure
« on: September 24, 2021, 08:57:54 AM »
The very reason I chose "supposedly" to describe the broken cap was they were supplied by Tim to replace a cap (gray iron) the owner dropped on the floor that broke in half on impact. The "supposedly" caps were machine finished on all surfaces and appeared to be billet, at least to the untrained eye but the new "billet" #4 cap cracked while in service. The result was evidenced by a loss in oil pressure and a destroyed bearing but this carnage was discovered while, primarily, repairing a broken roller lifter. Initial inspection concluded that debris from the lifter's demise had reached the bearing and was also the cause of that damage. After further review, it was determined that the lifter caused the teardown and discovery of the cracked cap was simply a fortunate occurrence. A decision was made to replace the same caps (2,3,4) a third time with Program Engr. and the engine is performing at a high level as of today.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Genesis Block Failure
« on: September 23, 2021, 08:30:38 PM »
Once a cap cracks only catastrophic failure is in the future in an engine stressed to the levels you describe. I, personally, know of two SuperStock drag racers that suffered similar failures with Genesis blocks, one with cast caps and the other with Genesis' "supposedly" billet replacement caps. Genesis suffered many growing pains as the first, generally available, aftermarket FE blocks but fortunately there are currently several other options, any of which may be superior in both quality and execution.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Genesis Block Failure
« on: September 23, 2021, 07:04:19 PM »
Sort of a known deficiency with Genesis blocks using the original cast main caps. You don't say whether you have billet main caps so pardon any implied assumptions. I have heard of racers dropping a cast cap on the floor during assembly and finding two pieces. Most users that I'm aware of switched their caps to Program Engr. or Genesis' own steel caps long ago. I believe that steel caps were factory installed on the last series prior to Genesis closing down.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: What a......place
« on: September 22, 2021, 02:44:12 PM »
Times 2. Only a tiny portion of the people we meet during our lifetimes are, truly, gifted with the innate ability to express themselves in a manner that, consistently, comes off as humorous, no matter the situation. Heo is, definitely, one of those special personalities.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Is it me, or
« on: September 22, 2021, 02:28:21 PM »
Horribly slow loading. In all honestly, I contribute, at least a share of my problems to Apple's update to Big Sur operating system, 12/20. I hope their next version corrects the slow upload problems.

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