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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: wow 722 hp "flathead"
« on: September 26, 2023, 08:37:10 PM »
Well, I don't know about going down hill, but I have a 292/375Y Block that has made 613.3hp/546lbft, and I hope there is a bit more in it before I quit with the testing.  My little 292/303Y made 463hp after the 2019 EMC, so there is still hope for those of us who still like working on these antique engines including the FE.  Joe-JDC

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Worst 4V intake manifold Ford ever cast?
« on: September 24, 2023, 09:45:28 AM »
But the S2P2 was not cast by Ford.  The lower ports on this intake only averaged 129cfm.  Joe-JDC

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Worst 4V intake manifold Ford ever cast?
« on: September 23, 2023, 01:59:35 PM »
I have just picked up a couple of '83-'85 302HO 4V intake manifolds, and wanted to get some flow figures for them.  I had a Stock Eliminator racer ask about porting one, and I offered to do so as I had time.  He never followed through, so when a couple of the intakes came up on Craig's listing locally, I picked two of them up for $125.00.  The ports are tiny, the manifold is definitely a low riser, and just looking at it makes you wonder how the Mustang ran so well for the era.  I have flow figures for 292/312Y block 4V intakes, Lincoln Y blocks, 289 iron 4V, 302 4V, and all the FE's/429/460s/4.6modulars/5.0HO EFI/5.8 EFI from the last 35 years using a flow bench.  This little intake manifold only flows 140cfm average, and the '83-'85/E7 heads flow 169 cfm as cast.  Not a single runner flowed over 158cfm.  Here are a couple of pictures of the intake manifold.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Intake question
« on: September 23, 2023, 01:44:51 PM »
I guess some folks have a chip in their shoulder when questioned.  I have just completed over 1130 pairs of cylinder heads and intake manifolds for folks around the world.  I have worked with just about every Ford head and intake manifold ever cast, from Y's to Boss 429s and everything in between.  When working with the C6AE-H/F Ford intakes, nearly every one of them sit proud if the heads have been milled.  For any restoration/race engine/show car engine it would be better to mill the face of the head and leave the intake manifold alone.  That way the engine could have several different intake manifolds tried without having to cut any of them to fit.  JMO, but I would still center the distributor first and then measure everywhere before cutting that manifold.  Joe-JDC

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: wow 722 hp "flathead"
« on: September 23, 2023, 09:47:22 AM »
There are still shops that regularly build old flat head engines with performance in mind.  I recently saw one that made nearly 400 hp which is very respectable for a flat head.  I saw another one that made 180 hp.  Both looked nearly the same.  I was trying to figure out just how much of that 722 hp was engine alone, and if I am close to correct, then it makes 485-500hp NA.  That within itself is an accomplishment.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Intake question
« on: September 23, 2023, 09:38:57 AM »
No one has asked how much clearance between the bottom of the intake and the china wall.  When cutting the sides, you move the distributor hole if they are not centered.  That should be your first measurement.  Drop the distributor in place and then measure the side clearances without the gaskets.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Power Tunnel Port Cylinder Heads
« on: September 16, 2023, 10:05:31 AM »
Jay, is it possible to change your CNC program on the combustion chamber to have a more figure 8 around the valves?  Is there enough material in your casting for that?  As I look at your chamber, it appears possible.  Also if there were a vane around the intake guide it might help with stabilizing the valve, and speed up the flow.  Those heads are really tempting for a shock tower build.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 8V carb question?
« on: September 14, 2023, 11:36:41 AM »
Thanks for the replies and suggestions.  I decided to go for the maximum available with the AVS2-1912 800 cfm carbs.  I have two tune-up kits already for my other Edelbrocks, so hopefully they will be easy to tune as an 8V setup.  This way I can run them on any intake manifold and should be able to get dyno results that lets me know just how each manifold compares vs Holleys.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Power Tunnel Port Cylinder Heads
« on: September 12, 2023, 03:10:38 PM »
That intake manifold also has the floors filled to match the epoxy in the heads and still manages to flow 490 cfm average.   I have been a proponent of porting any intake manifold to flow at least 110% of the head flow, and for performance usage, I try to get the flow up to 120-125% of the head flow.  When bolted together, the heads don't normally drop in flow this way as a result.  I have flowed hundreds of heads with intake manifolds over the last 29 years to verify the process.  I also work very hard at balancing each runner's flow so that each cylinder makes close to the same power and torque.  Makes the carburetion easier to jet, also.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / 8V carb question?
« on: September 04, 2023, 12:11:22 PM »
I just finished one of my projects since retirement, and I have ported a C3AE-K 427LR intake, and a Performer RPM AG intake manifold.  The Ford intake will take either 660's or 750 Holleys, but I want to use Edelbrock carbs on the RPM AG.  I have Edelbrock 500 cfm carbs on one of my Y Block Ford 8V intakes, and they performed very well on dyno testing and matched the horsepower of the Holley's with in 2 or 3 hp.  I am asking if any of you have experience with larger dual Edelbrock carbs in the 600/650/750/800 cfm ratings?  I have all the QF/Pro Systems/Holley 8Vs, so this really will be an experiment to see if I can match the Holleys for performance.  The C3AE-K intake average flow is only 340cfm, with one port only flowing 336 cfm and 4 at ~360 cfm.  The RPM AG average is 405cfm, and all the ports are within 11 cfm of each other.  I have BT 8V, Ford TW, so this RPM AG looks very tempting as an alternative to the norm.  I am considering the 750/800 size for this dyno session.  Ideas or experiences?  (This will be on an all aluminum 468FE/TFS/HR/10.5:1 street engine.)  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Carb questions
« on: August 27, 2023, 02:02:06 PM »
Thinking has changed from the '60-'70s on many things fuel related.  First, you may have to enrichen the carbs primary jets to get the benefit of the 10% ethanol gasoline used today.  If you get a pinging on acceleration, then you need to slow down the advance curve or jet up the primary jets to compensate for the ethanol, or both.  Nearly every carburetor I have dyno tested over the last 10 years or so have needed the jetting increased on the primary side.  That includes QF, Holley, Edelbrock, and Pro Systems carbs in every size from 500 cfm to 1250 single carbs.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 492" FE Dyno Adventures
« on: August 19, 2023, 09:30:47 PM »
If that Performer RPM isn't ported or at least gasket matched, the heads flow more than the intake manifold.  At ~320cfm, your heads are capable of 600 horsepower.  Also, a 1" Super Sucker spacer will help make more power with all those accessories working. Glad to see you are back on your engines.   Joe-JDC

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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: 482" FE Stroker, 582 HP, 581 Torque
« on: August 08, 2023, 11:20:48 AM »
From a Tunnel Wedge users point of view, I found that the Ford TW needs to be balanced in flow front to back.  Your graph on the carbs using different airflow quantities proves my point.  The rear intake ports are more straight and flow quite a bit better than those front ports.  I also found on my own engine that you need a spacer to give the plenum more depth so that the air can turn into the ports easier for higher rpm.  If the carbs were not keyed 1:1 and run progressive, you will have a mismatch in fuel ratios.  As for the TFS CNC heads, ALL of them go turbulent and flow stagnates at lifts varying from .580"-.630" lifts out of the box.  With some tweaking I have seen 364 cfm without making the ports significantly larger in volume, all with stock valves.  With a stockish TW, the flow usually comes in around 365cfm average, with the rear ports near 390 cfm, and with a simple cartridge roll will flow 400 cfm.  With 320-330 cfm heads, the intake needs to flow at least 400 cfm.  Also, did you increase the timing with the 110 fuel to find where the horsepower starts to fall off and back it off a degree or so?  Sometimes those heads like 36-37* depending on the ignition being used.  I just did an intake and OOTB TFS heads for a 447 here locally that used a 220* camshaft and made nearly the same horsepower as this one with a Holley Street Dominator and 750Holley.  I know dynos are different, but this dyno is close to those at EMC at both places in Ohio.  Joe-JDC

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It is definitely better than a Performer 390.  It will require some trimming to fit Jay's adapter, and quite a bit of blending.  An Edelbrock Performer RPM will be a much lighter package, and easier to fit any FE compartment.  I like Jay's adapter for a higher horsepower stroker but with a different Cleveland intake.  Joe-JDC

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Manifold no longer available.  This is a Dominator flanged Victor 427 EFI intake manifold with the injector bosses in the runners.  This intake is injector ready.  Porting it and ordered fuel rails for my own project 530FE.  Joe-JDC

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