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FE Technical Forum / Re: New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 23, 2016, 02:21:54 PM »
One last note of caution for anyone using the new BBM tunnel wedge is the oil drain back at the front of the intake manifold is not cast for clearance, and the water passage is paper thin where you would normally clearance it for the oil to drain back.  If you are not careful you will break through into the water.  One side is thicker than the other.  Just a caution, since many folks are having trouble with oil pooling in the valve covers, and slow drain back.  The BBM at the front will only have the gasket thickness as a drain hole on one side.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 22, 2016, 05:35:42 PM »
I did a simple gasket match on the BBM tunnel wedge today using a Fel Pro 1246 and checked it against the Edelbrock 7224 to make sure of the sizing.  The flow came up to 506 cfm average.  I only went into the ports about an inch and simple straightened up the walls without squaring up the corners.  I blended the plenum edges out to open spacer size, and reworked the opening to #1 and #5 ports from the plenum.  The #5 port came up from 466 cfm to 502 cfm with minimum work.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 21, 2016, 05:37:00 PM »

I think what I am trying to ask is,  how do you think the factory Tunnel Wedge, the ("regular") Dove Tunnel Wedge, the Dove "High Riser" Tunnel Wedge, and the BBM Tunnel Wedge fit in the Tunnel Wedge hierarchy?

Thanks,

paulie

Paulie, I think the factory Tunnel Wedge can be ported to 500 cfm, but not necessary in any current builds.  The BBM will probably be capable of quite a bit more, especially if used on a CJ type head opening, and the Dove TW is also capable of 500+ cfm.  The Dove HR TW is humongous.  When matched up to a BT HR head opening, it hits 585 cfm with ease.   I have ported the Dart Pro Stock intakes, Olds Pro Stock heads, and some of those heads flow 490-540 cfm with a 2.450 intake valve, and can use the Dart intake at 585-600 cfm.  They make in excess of 1200 hp with those heads and those flow numbers on 632-738 cubic inch BBCs.  We don't have a FE head that even comes close to 490 cfm or 540 cfm, so why do we need an intake that is designed for that flow????.  Just my opinion.    On your intake, just to match the ports up, the Dove flow goes up really fast, proving it is too big in volumn for the best performance.  Yes, it works, but it could work a lot better with less intake runner volumn.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 21, 2016, 03:15:44 PM »
First, let me say that I think the tunnel wedge/tunnel port intakes are the most impressive/aggressive looking intakes on any engine outside of possibly the high riser 2 X 4 intakes or SOHC 2 X 4 intake.  It is my all time favorite Ford intake, and I will keep mine to the end.  The new BBM will be very popular, and it will work on a high performance build of just about any cubic inch with the right heads, camshaft, compression, headers, and carburetors or throttle bodies.  It is a very nice piece.  I would have liked to see the ports just a bit smaller and less flow so that it could be ported to help the smaller engine guys.  Would have been simple to add material on the inside walls of every runner to increase the length of the air column, and decrease the cross-sectional area, setting up the air to turn into the head for a better transition.  It could then be ported to whatever flow needed.  However, it meets a need, fills a gap, and is available for sale which is a plus.  Price is a bit of a shock, but again exclusivity has to drive that to some extent as well as demand.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 21, 2016, 01:06:18 PM »
Yes, it has a cover, and is machined for an "O" ring seal like Jay's adapter.  The cover is a simple 3/16" aluminum plate with no engraving. The seal is not continuous, but a rope seal.  I haven't installed mine yet, since I may be doing some additional port work like a very simple gasket match to see how much that affects the flow, and I may bolt it up to my Survival heads that flow 350+cfm to see how it affects them.  Lots of projects in the works, just so many hours in my energy level at my age.  LOL.  Will be interesting to do a back to back with both tunnel wedges on a big cubic inch and decent compression and camshaft.  Headers may become the bottleneck for shocktower cars.   Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hardened Valve Seats, Exhaust Only???
« on: October 19, 2016, 09:09:21 PM »
Another consideration is the valve springs used, and the seat pressure needed to control valve float.  I would consider hardened seats for the exhaust valves if you have a camshaft that requires anything over 110-120# seat pressure.  Not a must, but certainly a consideration in my opinion.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / New BBM Tunnel Wedge arrived today.
« on: October 19, 2016, 05:36:38 PM »
I received my new BBM Tunnel Wedge intake today, and it looks very clean and well made.  I was surprised at the size of the intake ports because I was under the impression the ports were going to be high velocity and smaller than stock.  They are quite a bit larger than the original C8AX-A Ford Motorsports intake, and I wanted to see how it compared with the original in flow numbers.  Standard procedure to tape the seven ports not being flowed, block off the power brakes fitting, and use two open spacers with tapers to reduce turbulence when flowing.  Here are the flow figures from a Ford intake as cast, and the new BBM as cast.

Ford C8AX-A tunnel wedge

1.     374.35
2.     385.94
3.     372.57
4.     365.44
5.     370.79
6.     369.01
7.     380.59
8.     380.59 for an average of 374.91 cfm.

BBM tunnel wedge as cast:

1.     478.56
2.     484.54
3.     479.76
4.     472.58
5.     466.60
6.     479.76
7.     483.35
8.     496.57 for an average of 480.215 cfm

Flowed on SF-600 in air conditioned room at 70*, 38% humidity.  10-19-2016  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« on: October 18, 2016, 06:03:38 PM »
The size is not the problem, it is the shape of the port, and the awful dogleg so close to the short turn of the valve seat.  Airflow wants to take the shortest distance between the carburetor and the chamber, which causes the air/fuel to shear over the short turn if it is misshaped the least amount.  The short turn makes or breaks the FE intake port.  Get it right, and the ports can go to 320+ on the R head with large valve, and 310 on CJ is possible with larger valve.  Not easy, but can be done.  I have ported hundreds of the sbf heads, and I have yet to find one that will go 190 cfm with stock valve size and stock valve job from the factory.  JMO, but it is from my experience.   Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« on: October 18, 2016, 02:56:10 PM »
GT-40 P intake flow 184-189 cfm stock.  C6AE-r/R 220-232 cfm stock 2.020-2.030 intake valve.  Joe-JDC

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Excellent!  Good job shifting, and it sounds like the engine deserves a good freshening.  Hope it is all good.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Blue Thunder MR 4V intake plenum divider mods?
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:37:19 PM »
Joe,
I know the intakes are different, but my BT MR 2x4 intake is four hole for each carb.
What have been your experiences on using a 4 hole vs an open spacer on this intake?  same result?

Thanks,
Drew
That BT MR 2x4 intake works better/flows better with a four hole with the center blended under the open tract between the two sides.  The blending is simply used to keep turbulence at a minimum.  If you don't understand what I am saying, pm me and I will try to send pictures by e-mail of what I mean.  I can take pictures tomorrow.  Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Blue Thunder MR 4V intake plenum divider mods?
« on: October 09, 2016, 03:51:48 PM »
With generous ports of the BT in volumn, it will lose torque with that divider cut down.  I have dyno tested several different spacers and manifolds with the divider cut and with it solid.  Almost to a manifold they all liked the divider in place without a slot.  I know most folks here think the slot is cool, but it is not what I have witnessed on dyno testing.  BT makes manifolds for other engines also, and they definitely respond best with the divider not slotted.  If torque is not an issue, then consider fuel distribution.  The wall helps with fuel splash spill over.  Keeping the planes as even in flow as possible is a plus for the street, not so much for a race engine.  Joe-JDC

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Engine Masters 2016
« on: October 08, 2016, 04:41:08 PM »
Great time at the EMC for me.  My son came in for a couple of days, and had a blast participating with Royce's team and Ted.  It was cool to meet Doug, who kinda stood at a distance at first just watching everything unfold, but joined in and helped.  Sorry I didn't get more time to talk with you.  Royce is a trooper with trying to jockey two entrants of his own for the first time at the event.  They have changed the rules allowing a team to sponsor two engines.  Also, there is a change allowing the winner to come back the following year in the same class with a different engine, but same style. 
Joe-JDC

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Holley 600 vac secondary 1850
« on: October 01, 2016, 11:06:59 PM »
Yes, there are different size plates, but most folks tune with primary jets and power valve first.  Most 600 carbs can be tweaked to perform very well without changing the secondary plate.  If you need more, then maybe a step up in carburetor size is the answer.  Joe-JDC

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My 2014 pickup has 430 gear and 6 speed auto which cruises at 72 @ 2000 rpm and gets ~18.5 mpg.  I know apples to oranges, but even towing a mustang on trailer it averages 14.0 mpg.  The deep gears don't seem to bother the fuel economy with the double overdrives.  Joe-JDC

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