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FE Technical Forum / Re: solid roller cam selection
« on: July 23, 2015, 05:59:47 PM »
Contact an engine builder with lots of experience with the engine you're working on.  Don't waste your time with the cam "tech lines".  Call 5-6 of them and ask if they've ever seen an FE.  ;-)  You will find that most of the off-the-shelf FE cams are the typical 6° duration split, 110 LSA, 106 ICL.  Sure, that can work for a lot of stuff, but there are certain combinations that just need something different. 

The guys who can help the most are the ones who screw together FE's every day....and there's a handful of us on here.   So ask away.  :)

BTW, most of us are "custom cam grinders" in the sense that we have access to lobe catalogs from the various manufacturers and we hand-pick the lobes based on the needs/wants...then we just have a cam manufacturer grind it and away we go. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 23, 2015, 09:03:59 AM »
"Net power output is going to trump things like frictional losses and moment of inertia losses in terms of the engine's ability to rev quickly."

Bingo.

Some things go against normal intuition and I think that's why most people picture a big ole heavy rotating assembly and associate it with being a slow-accelerating slug.  However, if they would just wing the throttle on a big inch, high compression, high horsepower engine once, they would see that sometimes normal intuition is wrong.  :)

Now, as you say Jay, there comes a point where the stroke and piston speed overcome the parts' desires to live happily together....and that point is a limiting factor.  However, making the statement that a long stroke engine can't zip up through the rpms is one of those wives' tales that get passed from site to site.


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FE Technical Forum / Re: fe rocker arm assembly
« on: July 23, 2015, 04:49:04 AM »
Race T&D, no doubt.

I actually have a lot of confidence/faith in the regular rocker bodies, but once you have pulled a rocker stud out of an aluminum head, you never want to do it again.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Piston weights...
« on: July 22, 2015, 06:23:13 PM »
Mine were domed...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 05:31:21 PM »
It doesn't matter what horsepower or torque is being made

Horsepower does indeed matter and in most scenarios, it matters more than MOI.   I believe you are focused too much on distance/position and not on focused enough on acceleration. 




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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 04:44:04 PM »
Thanks Jay, you echoed my thoughts exactly, but with more eloquence....sometimes my brain works but my fingers/mouth don't. 

"It would be correct to say that at a specified horsepower level, an engine with a higher moment of inertia will accelerate more slowly."  That sentence pretty much sums it up. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Piston weights...
« on: July 22, 2015, 02:58:48 PM »
Tad heavy.

I had a set of JE pistons made for a 427 that used 6.800 rods and they weighed 540g.  1.460 compression height, .990" pin, .043/.043/3mm ring pack.


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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 02:27:08 PM »
Yes. 

If you're doing nothing but drag racing, I would aim for an ATI.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 02:08:16 PM »
Inertia is a straight-line measurement... think of when you're driving in your car and you tap your brakes....your body wants to continue in the same direction it was headed. 

The moment of inertia is not really a time based unit, but it's a measurement of an objects resistance to changing rotational motion.  In physics/engineering, a moment is a tangential force which makes a torque. 

So in a rotating assembly, the crankshaft would have a moment of inertia, which would affect its ability to accelerate or decelerate quickly. 

What many people leave out when thinking of rotating assemblies and their abilities to accelerate/decelerate quickly is the amount of force acting upon them.  If you think of a figure skater, when she draws her arms and legs in close to her body, she rotates quicker.  That's what most people think of.  However, when you add a tangential force to that figure skater, you could essentially make her buzz up even with her arms and legs spread out a little. 

That's what I was referring to when I was talking about making general statements.  There are lots of variables in how quickly a rotating assembly can accelerate or decelerate.

Now, my caveat is that I'm a degreed Mechanical Engineer, but it's been 13-14 years since I've had to crack a physics/statics/dynamics book....so I'm probably a little rusty.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 01:44:04 PM »
I completely understand what you're saying....just wanted to make sure you weren't buying into a lot of wives tales that get passed around the forums though....

I hear this quite often from customers...."Well, I'd rather have the 4.125" stroke instead of the 4.250" because the longer stroke engines just won't rev."  Horse poo-poo.   I think a lot of guys have seen truck engines with 150 hp, no compression, and 40 lb flywheels, and automatically make a correlation that it's a longer stroke, so it's lazy...

Jay could probably tell you about the response of some of his longer stroke SOHC and wedge engines....they are not slouches. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: harmonic balancers
« on: July 22, 2015, 12:39:32 PM »
Watch about making generalities that only short stroke engines can rev....

I hear this statement frequently but it's not always the case.  A long stroke engine can turn some very high rpms and respond immediately with the right combination.   The rotating assembly weight as well as how much hp/tq the engine makes play a big role. 

There are mountain motor class engines (700-800 ci) with 5.750" strokes that can easily turn 8000 rpm and get there in an instant...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam lube
« on: July 22, 2015, 09:43:53 AM »
Yes, they are SBF lifters....so the pushrod will be a different length.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam lube
« on: July 22, 2015, 04:59:02 AM »
It is a flat . I will do everything the way I am suppossed to whats thw deal with edm lifters  is it the lifters that are weak or the cams

The EDM lifters have a oil hole on the face of the lifter.  They are pressure fed, so they continually pee oil out on the lobe. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam lube
« on: July 21, 2015, 03:52:04 PM »
I also do a rain dance and chop up 3 watermelons length ways with a dull machete standing in my underwear.  It seems to help. 

I would respectfully request that you do NOT post any videos of this event  :o

Well, thanks for ruining my plans this evening...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam lube
« on: July 21, 2015, 02:31:37 PM »
I also do a rain dance and chop up 3 watermelons length ways with a dull machete standing in my underwear.  It seems to help. 

Biggest thing about flat tappet break-in is to use the right oil, make sure the spring pressures aren't too wild, make sure it fires immediately, and get it up to rpm to sling oil around.  I also won't build a flat tappet engine without using EDM lifters...

I think a lot of the issue is that we are running more aggressive lobes now than we were 15-20-30 years ago and the spring pressures reflect that.  I try not to be over 100 lbs seat and 270-280 lbs open on the break-in.

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