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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 25, 2024, 05:27:14 PM »
~5500. Agreed. The PG just isn't a good fit, especially with that high 1st gear.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 24, 2024, 02:36:17 PM »
A Clevor is a Windsor block with Cleveland heads.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 24, 2024, 10:24:21 AM »A new sub forum labeled "Non-FE Dyno Results" would certainly help.
Flathead forums do not showcase FE's.
Pontiac forums do not showcase sbc or BBC's.
Many, many have left this once awesome forum. Now it's dominated by half a dozen users.
Again, sad to see.
Can't say I agree with that. On the first page of new posts, there are 15 different users that started threads.
If many have left this "once awesome" forum, it wasn't because of 2 SBF dyno result threads....
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 24, 2024, 09:04:29 AM »
I will tell you that Clevelands/Windsors/Clevors can make lots and lots and lots of power. That 777 hp 434ci Clevor is not out of the ordinary.
But I will also tell you the Clevelands/Windsors/Clevors don't have near the pedigree of a Ford FE. Nor the nostalgia. Nor the looks.
But I will also tell you the Clevelands/Windsors/Clevors don't have near the pedigree of a Ford FE. Nor the nostalgia. Nor the looks.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports Ford 465ci Tunnel Port Street Engine
« on: April 24, 2024, 05:06:21 AM »
Another FE, so that everyone doesn't get their feelings hurt.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Lykins Motorsports Ford 465ci Tunnel Port Street Engine
« on: April 24, 2024, 05:06:02 AM »
Performance Summary:
Cubic Inches: 465 Dyno brand: Stuska
Power Adder: Nope Where dynoed: Dale Meers Racing Engines
Peak Horsepower: 575 @ 6000
Peak Torque: 545 lb-ft
Engine Specifications:
Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes: Factory Ford 427 S/O, hydraulic block
Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size: Scat 9000 series 4.125" stroke
Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts: Scat I-beam, 6.700
Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR: Custom Racetec, dish, 9.8:1
Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size: Federal Mogul 125M, Clevite CB743
Piston rings brand, size, other notes: Total Seal, 1.5/1.5/3mm
Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Melling M57B
Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Canton deep front sump, factory style oil filter adapter
Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050"): Custom Lykins Motorsports hydraulic roller
Lifters brand, type: Morel
Timing chain and timing cover: Factory timing cover, Cloyes billet
Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information: Factory Tunnel Port, no port work
Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
Intake Exhaust
.100 .100
.200 .200
.300 .300
.400 .400
.500 .500
.600 .600
.700 .700
.800 .800
Flow bench used, location:
Intake valve brand, head size, stem size: SI stainless, 11/32", 2.250"
Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size: SI stainless, 11/32", 1.750"
Valve springs brand, part number, specs:
Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs:
Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio: T&D street, TP, 1.75
Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material:
Pushrods brand, type, length: Trend, 5/16", .105"
Valve covers, brand, type: Blue Thunder/Holman Moody
Distributor brand, advance curve information: Factory FE, Pertronix, locked out
Harmonic balancer brand: Powerbond
Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric): Factory style replacement
Intake manifold brand, material, porting information: Factory TP, 2x4 single plane
Carburetor(s) brand, type: Holley 710's, Drew Pojedinec
Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type: Dyno headers
Cubic Inches: 465 Dyno brand: Stuska
Power Adder: Nope Where dynoed: Dale Meers Racing Engines
Peak Horsepower: 575 @ 6000
Peak Torque: 545 lb-ft
Engine Specifications:
Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes: Factory Ford 427 S/O, hydraulic block
Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size: Scat 9000 series 4.125" stroke
Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts: Scat I-beam, 6.700
Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR: Custom Racetec, dish, 9.8:1
Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size: Federal Mogul 125M, Clevite CB743
Piston rings brand, size, other notes: Total Seal, 1.5/1.5/3mm
Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Melling M57B
Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Canton deep front sump, factory style oil filter adapter
Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050"): Custom Lykins Motorsports hydraulic roller
Lifters brand, type: Morel
Timing chain and timing cover: Factory timing cover, Cloyes billet
Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information: Factory Tunnel Port, no port work
Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
Intake Exhaust
.100 .100
.200 .200
.300 .300
.400 .400
.500 .500
.600 .600
.700 .700
.800 .800
Flow bench used, location:
Intake valve brand, head size, stem size: SI stainless, 11/32", 2.250"
Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size: SI stainless, 11/32", 1.750"
Valve springs brand, part number, specs:
Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs:
Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio: T&D street, TP, 1.75
Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material:
Pushrods brand, type, length: Trend, 5/16", .105"
Valve covers, brand, type: Blue Thunder/Holman Moody
Distributor brand, advance curve information: Factory FE, Pertronix, locked out
Harmonic balancer brand: Powerbond
Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric): Factory style replacement
Intake manifold brand, material, porting information: Factory TP, 2x4 single plane
Carburetor(s) brand, type: Holley 710's, Drew Pojedinec
Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type: Dyno headers
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 24, 2024, 04:50:38 AM »
So the FE dyno results aren't free advertising? How does that work?
Perry, you're the only one who will praise me in one post and cuss me in the next. You need more fiber in your diet, brother.
Jay, it's a 260cc port that flows 400 cfm. Cam specs were 260's/270's at .050" with .825" lift at the valve. It also has a GZ Motorsports vacuum pump on it, which I forgot to add up above.
Car is a '69 Mustang. Runs 9.70 at 141 mph with a 1.58 1st gear Powerglide. He had aspirations of spraying it so he wanted a softer dig. Would love to see what it would do with a real transmission LOL It doesn't come on hard until half way down the track.
Perry, you're the only one who will praise me in one post and cuss me in the next. You need more fiber in your diet, brother.
Jay, it's a 260cc port that flows 400 cfm. Cam specs were 260's/270's at .050" with .825" lift at the valve. It also has a GZ Motorsports vacuum pump on it, which I forgot to add up above.
Car is a '69 Mustang. Runs 9.70 at 141 mph with a 1.58 1st gear Powerglide. He had aspirations of spraying it so he wanted a softer dig. Would love to see what it would do with a real transmission LOL It doesn't come on hard until half way down the track.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 23, 2024, 10:16:10 AM »
From what I understand, Ross asked Jay if it was ok....
If not, I'll take it down. No biggie.
If not, I'll take it down. No biggie.
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FE Engine Dyno Results / Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq
« on: April 23, 2024, 05:27:59 AM »
Performance Summary:
Cubic Inches: 434 Dyno brand: Stuska
Power Adder: Not necessary Where dynoed: Dale Meers Racing Engines
Peak Horsepower: 777 @ 7000
Peak Torque: 630
Horsepower and Torque Curves:
Engine Specifications:
Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes: Ford Racing Boss 9.200" Deck
Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size: Callies Dragonslayer, steel, 4" stroke
Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts: Crower
Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR: Diamond, 2618, flat top, 13.5:1
Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size: Clevite main/rod bearings, 55mm roller cam bearings
Piston rings brand, size, other notes: Total Seal, .043/.043/3mm low tension
Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Melling Select
Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Milodon front sump
Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050"): Custom Lykins Motorsports solid roller
Lifters brand, type: Morel, .903"
Timing chain and timing cover: New factory style
Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information: Ported CHI 3V 208cc, 2.25/1.75 Ferrea valves
Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
Intake Exhaust
.100 .100
.200 .200
.300 .300
.400 .400
.500 .500
.600 .600
.700 .700
.800 .800
Flow bench used, location:
Intake valve brand, head size, stem size:
Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size:
Valve springs brand, part number, specs: Manley Nex-Tek
Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs: Manley titanium
Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio: T&D paired
Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material:
Pushrods brand, type, length: Trend
Valve covers, brand, type: Blue Thunder
Distributor brand, advance curve information: MSD crank trigger
Harmonic balancer brand: ATI
Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric): CVR
Intake manifold brand, material, porting information: Ported CHI 3V
Carburetor(s) brand, type: Quick Fuel 1050 4500
Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type: Dyno headers
Cubic Inches: 434 Dyno brand: Stuska
Power Adder: Not necessary Where dynoed: Dale Meers Racing Engines
Peak Horsepower: 777 @ 7000
Peak Torque: 630
Horsepower and Torque Curves:
Engine Specifications:
Block brand, material, finished bore size, other notes: Ford Racing Boss 9.200" Deck
Crankshaft brand, cast or forged, stroke, journal size: Callies Dragonslayer, steel, 4" stroke
Connecting Rods brand, material, center to center distance, end sizes, bolts: Crower
Piston brand, material (caster, hypereutectic or forged), dish/dome volume, static CR: Diamond, 2618, flat top, 13.5:1
Main Bearings, Rod Bearings, Cam Bearings brand and size: Clevite main/rod bearings, 55mm roller cam bearings
Piston rings brand, size, other notes: Total Seal, .043/.043/3mm low tension
Oil Pump, pickup, and drive: Melling Select
Oil pan, windage tray, oil filter adapter: Milodon front sump
Camshaft brand, type (hyd/solid, flat tappet or roller), lift and duration (adv and @.050"): Custom Lykins Motorsports solid roller
Lifters brand, type: Morel, .903"
Timing chain and timing cover: New factory style
Cylinder heads brand, material, port and chamber information: Ported CHI 3V 208cc, 2.25/1.75 Ferrea valves
Cylinder head flow in cfm at inches of lift (28" H2O pressure drop):
Intake Exhaust
.100 .100
.200 .200
.300 .300
.400 .400
.500 .500
.600 .600
.700 .700
.800 .800
Flow bench used, location:
Intake valve brand, head size, stem size:
Exhaust valve brand, head size, stem size:
Valve springs brand, part number, specs: Manley Nex-Tek
Retainers and locks brand, part number, specs: Manley titanium
Rocker arm brand, type (adjustable or non-adj), material, ratio: T&D paired
Rocker shafts and stands, brand, material:
Pushrods brand, type, length: Trend
Valve covers, brand, type: Blue Thunder
Distributor brand, advance curve information: MSD crank trigger
Harmonic balancer brand: ATI
Water pump brand, type (mechanical or electric): CVR
Intake manifold brand, material, porting information: Ported CHI 3V
Carburetor(s) brand, type: Quick Fuel 1050 4500
Exhaust manifolds or headers brand, type: Dyno headers
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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Jegs
« on: April 22, 2024, 11:09:35 AM »
Most of the engine builders on here can get whatever Jegs/Summit can get, and probably for the same price.
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FE Technical Forum / Re: Speedmaster latest theft of property video
« on: April 18, 2024, 07:23:38 AM »
Wow, good on them! A step in the right direction.
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FE Technical Forum / Re: max spring pressure with aluminum heads
« on: April 06, 2024, 06:53:26 PM »
I’ve pulled the studs out at 600 lbs of spring load. When I do aluminum head solid rollers now, I use a different insert or a T&D race rocker.
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FE Technical Forum / Re: HYD Roller Lifter Problems - Powell Machine You Tube.
« on: April 03, 2024, 09:50:05 AM »Note - Hot vs cold lash on this iron/iron 351C is the same.
That's the way it is on FE's too. I've never seen lash change between cold/hot on an iron/iron combo.
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FE Technical Forum / Re: Quench
« on: March 31, 2024, 01:07:01 PM »
Hey if Ford ran them with a half point of compression difference from front to back, we can too……ROFL
Ford ran rope seals and oil bath air cleaners. I guess that’s “real” too and what we should all aim for. I mean they did it that way in the 60’s, why should technology improve on anything?
Ford ran rope seals and oil bath air cleaners. I guess that’s “real” too and what we should all aim for. I mean they did it that way in the 60’s, why should technology improve on anything?
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FE Technical Forum / Re: Quench
« on: March 31, 2024, 11:51:55 AM »As far as the quench discussion, glad to see no attempt to make it too tight. I think for most .040-.050 is plenty for the squish benefit, and I regularly run them proud with a 8554 and some even taller if we are trying to keep intake dimensions on the rare stuff. Even comparing .045 or so to .036 I'd expect no gain and only added risk.
In terms of the machining, geez Howie, Brent was right, said Ford was all over the place, and then you come back with Ford couldn't hold a spec with their tech at the time, that is EXACTLY the point. Who cares what the spec is if the machine can't hold it anyway? Brent didn't say that the machinists were evil or FOMOCO was playing a trick on us. I'll add that valve centerline, bore centers, cam bore dimensions are all over the place too once you start measuring.
Additionally, no doubt things flex with heat cycles, I am not sure what you mean by massive flexing, I don't agree with that, an FE is pretty forgiving on head gaskets even fewer head bolts than modern engines. Although anything can move, they don't change .026 from end to end and grow .010 over deck height. That's a crank centerline or deck machining issue that causes that much variance, and the numbers can tell you which it was.
Square deck a block or two, you'll see things, square deck 20, you can really see the trends.
Howie can't see logic for rage. It's ok, I got him dead to rights with a simple observation that apparently all of us have seen, except for him. My favorite part is that he calls bull on my saying that they're out .020", but he agrees that it's the high end of spec and then gets mad at me again. Poor Howie.
Oh, and his heating/cooling cycles argument isn't valid either. I've had some NOS blocks come through that were still in the crate and were still way off.