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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Muffler setup, what's good
« on: July 05, 2016, 11:39:05 AM »
Hooker AeroChamber 2.5" on my 390, sound great, nice deep burble at idle, nice roar at WOT but not obnoxious at all.  Good rumble running down the road at light load.  I haven't personally heard anything better for a pure street car.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Pro Stock motor from Engine Labs
« on: June 27, 2016, 04:20:26 PM »
Trying to wrap my head around the large diameter camshafts.  I understand the necessity on those things with 1200lbs over the nose so it doesn't start twisting, but I know the LS motors use a fairly large cam diameter too.  Seems they can be more "gentle" in the ramps for given lift due to the increased diameter of the base circle, which seems to let them rev quite high with a hydro roller, or run a ton of lift relative to duration and not float the valves. 

A real quick search found this Lingenfelter hydro roller for an LS
215/231 duration @ .050 lift - .631/.644 lift with 1.7 118.0 CL

I think most would agree, that's a pretty aggressive lift number for a really mild cam. 

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Member Projects / Re: TKO 500 into '63 Marauder
« on: June 07, 2016, 09:23:15 AM »
I'll have to identify what the shifter is that came with the car, it's an updated model, the original is in a box.  It feels pretty decent and gives the offset handle position to put it back where the T10 handle was.  Thanks for the tip on the TriAx.

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Member Projects / Re: TKO 500 into '63 Marauder
« on: June 02, 2016, 08:14:52 AM »
Ross, is it like driving a T5?  I grew up in Fox bodies, so that's my frame of reference, never drove a T10/Toploader until I put the T10 in the Marauder.  I believe they're sort of the same as what I've heard of the Tremec, basically just use your palm to guide it up into 3rd. 

As far as the SLR, I'm with you.  Again, my frame of reference is the T5 with 3.35 first gear, mostly in 3.73 geared Fox bodies.  So, pretty deep at 12.49, and with a pretty short tire.  My '13 GT was 3.66x3.73 = 13.65, so the 3.27x4.10=13.4 in the Marauder won't be unfamiliar.  Obviously my 390 doesn't spin 7500 like the '13, so it's going to be a short rip in First for sure.  I'm sure it'll be overkill, but I am in the "city" more or less with a lot of lights to deal with so it'll be nice to get the big car rolling.  I have a Detroit Locker 3.73 center section ready to go if this is too deep. 

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Member Projects / Re: TKO 500 into '63 Marauder
« on: June 02, 2016, 07:58:40 AM »
thanks for sharing , your work looks good . feel better about mods the second time around ?

I definitely feel better now, doing it halfass the first time due to time constraints gnawed at me.  I will say I don't like cutting the car, but considering it's not rare and it was brought back from a rusty mess, I don't feel too bad. 

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Member Projects / Re: TKO 500 into '63 Marauder
« on: June 01, 2016, 01:32:13 PM »
At this point, the trans was in the car, so I could check tunnel clearance, etc.  So, the trans WILL physically fit in the car with zero tunnel mods. It had enough room that it didn't even require hammering the tunnel. 


HOWEVER, lots of caveats.  The output shaft was now 1.5" lower than the T10 as the mounting pad heights are different.  So, the motor/trans are tilted down.  This also threw off the throttle linkage, and the clutch z bar were at an angle.  To be honest, I knew it wasn't the "right" thing to do, but I buttoned it up at this point because I was desperately trying to get the car to the FE reunion and had the house move the following week. 

Well, I didn't make it to the FE reunion for several reasons:
1) Throttle was sticky
2) Could not get sufficient air gap between clutch disk and flywheel
3) Suddenly, could not shift into fifth and reverse

However, I did drive the car to the new house versus trailering and can say the deeper first was a full transformation, didn't hit it hard at all but immediately nicer to drive. 

Starting in April of this year again, worked to resolve the issues. 

Research online indicated that the 5th/Reverse issue was in the shift fork for those gears.  Odd that it was working, then not.  So, what ultimately happened, is there is a pin that goes through the case and holds the 5th/reverse fork, and retains with an E clip.  This pin looks a lot like a fill plug.  I swear is wasn't me :) but either previous owner or a buddy may have popped the pin out thinking it was the fill, and knocked the clip off, then the shift fork worked it's way off the pin with all the banging around the trans received being mounted in/out of the car.  Either way, it was a minor fix and the trans is fine so all is well, plus it forced me to pull the trans and fix the car "right" instead of the halfass install I'd done in the name of getting it mobile.

First up, build a spacer to lift the trans mounting pad.  Issues are the tunnel sheetmetal, and there is a body crossmember that contacts the tailshaft (looks to be a shift rail support).  I couldn't quite get the full 1.5" increase without doing major crossmember surgery, so did a small section job on it and took what I could get, came in at 1 3/8" so I thought that was fine. 

This is the body crossmember, the photo is a bit of an illusion and makes the channel look like it's concave into the floor when it's actually convex.


The channel that makes up the crossmember is roughly 1/2", so I sectioned that portion and reinforced and that gave me enough for the 1 3/8" height change. 


The piece I cut out looked like this.  I cut the "legs" off and welded it back into the section, then boxed the ends to retain as much strength as possible.  My fitup was terrible from reusing the cut piece so welds are chunky, but it's under the car so no big deal.





At this point I could jack the trans up without interference with the crossmember, and check trans tunnel fit.  Lots of ways to go here as far as how to modify the tunnel, as you can cut around the topside of the trans and build a new cover.  I decided to just slit the trans tunnel and lift it to retain the stock round portion, and just fill the "slit" portion.  Seemed like less fabrication, and seemed to give the most room around the trans. 


Tunnel mods weren't too bad, I'm no pro fabricator so just overlapped the cuts, filled in the rear section to raise the tunnel, then formed a piece to finish off the tunnel transition at the rear. 



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Member Projects / TKO 500 into '63 Marauder
« on: June 01, 2016, 12:47:33 PM »
Figured I'd do a brief write up of the Tremec TKO 500 swap into my '63 Marauder, as there seems to be a LOT of differing experiences/opinions on putting these trans into the early fullsize chassis.  Specifically, how to build the trans crossmember, floor mods, and clutch linkage modifications. 

Just a little background, I converted car to a T10 because I got it cheap with the pedal/clutch linkage setup.  Rebuilt the T10 and used that to get the car running and debugged, using an old Centerforce clutch I had laying around from my former '76 F250.  It performed fine and was sweet shifting, but that 2.3x first just killed the feel of the car.  I eventually threw a cheap 4.10 open rear in the car which finally made it work OK around town, but I drive the car a fair bit and it just killed the highway manners, 60mph cruise was around 2600rpm and with my exhaust setup just felt like a "hectic" ride. 

Here is the car


Engine is basic .030" 390, 750dp, Performer RPM manifold, bowl blended Edelbrocks, 270H Comp, FPA Tri Ys, ~9.5:1 cr.  Nice torquey combo, but still needed more SLR, but plenty of torque to pull 2000rpm cruise in OD so we'll see where I end up with rear gear, thinking the 4.10s will be perfect.  Rear tire is a 275/60/15. 

I bought a Quicktime bell, TKO 500, aluminum driveshaft, offset shifter from the classifieds on the Network54 site.  I would've gone for a 600 if buying new as the cost is the same, but this should work just fine for a street car, and initially I wanted to re-use the Centerforce clutch.  I also switched to an FRPP steel flywheel, didn't see the sense in putting an old cast iron flywheel in a $600 bellhousing. 

First thing noticed is that with the internal shift rails up top, the TKO is much more squared off and taller above the centerline than the T10, especially in the tailshaft area. 


The overall length is different between the transmissions.  However, with the different depth of bellhousings out there, there's no "definite" answer on whether the old driveshaft will work, as the package of trans length and bell depth will effect the total length. Therefore, best to just measure what you have and adjust accordingly.  I got an aluminum driveshaft in the bundle so I didn't have to modify my existing, but as I recall it wouldn've just needed 1-1.5" cust.

The mounting pad is further back on the TKO, and the bolt holes are at a slightly different center.  Also, the body of the gear case hangs "lower" on the TKO, meaning you'll have to notch your crossmember.  Not a big deal, but I'd say this is a definite on any swap.


Because the mounting pad is further back on the trans, there's a need to move the crossmember to the rear in the chassis.  I believe it was 2-3" but I did this last year, then moved houses, so don't have my notes.  Either way, not a huge issue.  There are several ways to move the mount, you can go bigtime and cut the mounts off the frame and relocate.  This would require widening the crossmember as the frame gets wider in that area as you move back, that seemed like a lot of work for no real benefits that I can see.  You can section the crossmember and move the mount back in the middle, or you can weld "tabs" on the crossmember mounts and move them back.  I chose the latter, less work and I was up against a time constraint last year to get the car mobile as I was moving.  If I did it again, I'd choose the second option and section the middle of the crossmember as I believe it's a "cleaner" install.  You'd likely have to mess with the Ebrake mount either way.  Pics show the small notch I had to take out of the crossmember flange to clear the main body of the trans, and the "tabs" I welded on to the crossmember to locate it back on the frame.




Also, if you have an early clutch fork (I reused the stock fork i had which has the wire clip), the pivot point is different than later bells/forks, so the pivot must be moved.  I measured it at ~3/8" outboard and redrilled. Again, tight timeline dictated using what I had, I'd definitely just buy a new fork with the spring clip retainer if doing this again.



Another minor tweak, as stated the trans mount dimension is different on the TKO, so had to drill/slot the trans mount to match.



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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Why can't Ford...
« on: May 24, 2016, 11:08:38 AM »
Agreed, I'd like to see more cars in this segment.  But, when's the last time you saw one on the road? 

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I'm working on installing a TKO 500 into my '63 Marauder and wanted to see if you guys had some suggestions.  In short, I did this install last year, very quickly, in order to make the car mobile as I was moving and wanted the car under power.  So, it was "done", but I wasn't happy with the install.  I also had an issue with the used trans, so decided to pull it back out and do it right. 

Couple items I didn't like:
1) Stock clutch fork uses the wire clip and a different pivot point than the Quicktime bell I had.  I redrilled it and used the old style pivot, but not optimal.
2) The TKO bolted up fine with some extensions I put on the trans crossmember, but the mounting bad to output centerline distance is different on the TKO, so basically the output is 1.5-1.75" below the old T10.  This tilted the motor down, and messed with the mechanical clutch linkage and throttle, besides just not being "right". 
3) This was a "frankenstein" setup, bought used, so I didn't have all the pieces together.  I basically could not adjust the clutch such that it would fully disengage without hitting the floor.  The quicktime bell has zero access to check air gap, but could tell it was still dragging.  It would shift, but not well.  I have an adjustable clutch pushrod, but still not enough throw.  I think I need a clutch fork with more "curve" to it to give more throw with the same amount of travel.

So, really my question now is what are people using for clutch forks with a Galaxie/Marauder chassis, and quicktime bellhousing?  I understand McLeod has discontinued their clutch forks, so that plan went out the window although I'm guessing if I look around enough I can find one on the shelf somewhere. 

Any help is appreciated.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands required?
« on: April 07, 2016, 09:08:38 AM »
My rocker shafts showed signs of flexing on the outboard ends with a little 270H Comp, shifted at 5500.  I think the more aggressive ramps on modern (not that the 270H is modern, but it's more aggressive than 60s tech) cams is the culprit.  Good peace of mind to go with captured stands or thick shafts. 

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Private Classifieds / Re: Rebuilt Galaxie T10
« on: January 28, 2016, 02:26:03 PM »
Sold pending funds*****

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Private Classifieds / Rebuilt Galaxie T10
« on: January 26, 2016, 01:18:55 PM »
Selling nice rebuilt Galaxie T10.  Has roughly 500 miles on it, rebuilt with new gears except for first.  Pulled it to install 5spd.  Shifts great, doesn't pop out of any gears.  Does have a bit of whine in first but not too bad. 

$600, will consider delivery within area of Richmond,VA.  I travel to PA frequently and could deliver within reason on my way as well. 

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Private Classifieds / New 1956 F100 Hood Hinges and Springs
« on: January 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM »
Brand new hood hinges with springs for a '56 F100.  New in box, still packaged, just don't need them anymore as project was sold.  $100 plus shipping. 

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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: 390 +.035 Truck Build
« on: January 20, 2016, 03:03:06 PM »
Very cool to see this build, very similar to the 390 in my 63 Marauder.  I have a 270H which is .519/224* on a 110, and mildly cleaned up Edelbrocks with a 750DP but virtually everything else is similar.  Peaks look about what I feel from seat of the pants.  I can lug mine down to 1600 with a 4spd comfortably with no bucking and a 3.70 gear, the engine used to be in a '76 F250 and it pulled fine in that too. 

Good all around street motor for something that primarily sees 2000-4000, but can spin up a bit more. 

I have to work through my tune this year, just doesn't pull over 3500rpm or so the way it should. 

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Would be interesting to see what they flow, I saw a set of the Boss heads at the FRPP tent at Carlisle last year, they're definitely impressive, especially for an OEM piece.  Every bit as nice as my AFR small block CNC heads. 

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