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Well ported CJs for a 385 series approach 400cfm, but I'm wondering if there's a factory intake that wouldn't hinder the combo, seems the factory SCJ deal would be way too small to feed it. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM head info
« on: August 05, 2021, 11:33:50 AM »
Hmm, did dig up an A-B comparison of TFS vs BBM CNC on the same bench.  As the title states, results are surprising.  The numbers don't seem to jive with other published numbers, but heads done on same bench are definitely the best comparison. 

https://www.fordfe.com/bbm-cnc-vs-trick-flow-out-of-the-box-surprising-t162336.html

Also, I hear "flow isn't everything" parroted quite a bit.  I agree.  But if both are similarly prepped with proper valve and throat size, and valve job, and both are modern chambers with good quench....is the smaller cross section with better average flow not the preferred head for a majority of builds (not talking about an 8000rpm 510ci all out drag build)? 

With those elements all known, are they talking about airspeed being too high in the small head where it's going to be turbulent on an actual running engine?  Could it be a low floor/short turn showing good flow but causing fuel shear or turbulence on a running engine?   


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As stated, I'd be building a '66 Fairlane R code.  Best true production heads, best production intake, big bore, big valves, stronger block. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM head info
« on: August 05, 2021, 11:07:54 AM »
I’m not going to pretend I know cylinder heads like some of the guys on here but I myself have out of the box survivals, I believe they flow the same as an out of the box BBM. I’m under the impression that the TFS heads come CNCd out of the box. I believe the CNCd Survivals flow 360 cfm is there a reason why they don’t get bunched in in this conversation. Now when I got my Survivals there was no BBMs or TFS so at the time I had thought they were way ahead of what was out there.

I think it's two-fold.  One, the BBMs already cost $600 more than TFS so the assumption is the CNC'd BBM is in another price class.  Two, the BBM is already larger than the TFS, so the CNC BBM is in another class size wise.  Normally it wouldn't seem "fair" to compare CNC'd heads to as cast, but when they're cheaper and roughly the same size, it's a more natural comparison.  This came up back in the day with the TFS R heads when the AFR 205 first came out. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM head info
« on: August 05, 2021, 04:18:50 AM »
I don’t have info as to how Brent flowed the heads, but even doing everything correctly there’s a fairly wide margin in figures based on using a pipe, and what size is used.  TFS flowed it with a 2” which is fairly large for an FE

If you haven’t seen it, this guy does a great job showing results.  He’s fairly new to YouTube but is a fairly well known head porter and gives good info, flow info stArts around 28:00

https://youtu.be/DNfA7XD7xYM

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Engine angles
« on: August 04, 2021, 02:18:51 PM »
As stated, many carbs are angled.  I had to setup my F100 with 2* engine angle to level the carb.  Everything I read indicated 2-4* is common so I just wanted to stay in that range

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FE Technical Forum / Re: BBM head info
« on: August 02, 2021, 09:56:27 AM »
I have BBMs on my mild 390 with a little 224* roller, and I have a set of TFS sitting here as well....maybe a back to back is in order :)

I guess I don't see where the debate is, TFS flows more through a smaller port for $600 less.  I don't know enough to know if somehow wet flow is horrible on the TFS, or if they stall early (every indication is they're fine for most hydraulic roller combos that aren't 500ci+), but doesn't seem like it's an issue as they seem to dyno in line with expectations. 

Any BBM/Edelbrock that can run with them is being ported which brings the port energy into question as they're already larger.  As stated, I'm sure there are applications where the air speed gets too high with the TFS and a larger port would work better, does anyone know how much the TFS can be opened?  My understanding is TFS is usually pretty good about leaving meat in the ports.  I know it's sort of unchartered territory to go grinding on CNC'd heads, but small block guys do it all the time.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 390 new points now backfiring
« on: July 27, 2021, 08:17:10 AM »
Helping a buddy get his early Bronco running, we've replaced a condensor and two sets of points in it....and it's moved maybe 2 miles.  Amazing. 

I'd heard the horror stories, now deciding if it's worth the trouble to go Pertronix or just file the old points and do what I can to stockpile a set or two of NOS Autolites. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Carb Hesitation
« on: July 22, 2021, 07:15:53 AM »
Did you touch anything else at all?  I'd start simple with something I see all the time, is the accel pump arm(s) adjusted correctly? 

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Private Classifieds / Re: Comp Hydraulic Roller
« on: July 17, 2021, 05:22:34 PM »
I have a ~235* cam from Brent going in my 462, I have no vacuum requirements but I think it would be borderline.  224/232 in my 390 pulls 13”

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Private Classifieds / Re: Comp Hydraulic Roller
« on: July 17, 2021, 04:49:43 PM »
Maybe in a 650ci engine  :)

I’d think more in the 7-8” range

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Private Classifieds / Comp Hydraulic Roller
« on: July 17, 2021, 10:24:36 AM »
New in box Comp hydraulic roller, billet core roller I bought from Brent.  Nice size for healthy 400ci+ deal.  251/253* @ .050”, .643/.624 110lsa.  $400 shipped

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Some kids came through and did that recently, I never lock my '96 GMC because the truck is worth maybe $500, but still runs/drives great.  Anyway, kids were idiots as they just took change but left a pair of RayBans in the visor, and some pretty decent micrometers that were sitting on the seat.  I know, dumb by me, but I'd never had an issue and got careless. 

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Private Classifieds / Re: Rare 427 MR. C5AE-6090-F Big F head
« on: July 07, 2021, 10:50:03 AM »
Curious. This is for ONE head. What would happen if this head were paired with an "ordinary" MR head on the same engine?

That’s an old NASCAR trick, they’d put the Big F on the right engine bank and the extra power would naturally make the car turn left…

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: AFR acquired by equity group
« on: July 02, 2021, 12:27:29 PM »
Now this was rolled out last year, but you have to wonder if Taglich already had influence, but AFR already introduced a line of import castings.  Just hate to continue seeing it across the industry, as a "niche" market it's one of the last to see the manufacturing head offshore, but it's becoming more commonplace as profits are chased.  I imagine this "offshoring" debate is beating a dead horse, been discussed many times already here.   Main issue is I hate to see a top level supplier like AFR lose its way.  If you follow what they did with the 385 series head, following the excellent SBF heads that have been around for years, I was sort of hoping they'd somehow step into the FE ranks at some time.  Doubtful now. 

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