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      The Weiand Pro Ram noted in an earlier post is the best. Edelbrock UR 19 is off by a good 30 hp when I tested them back to back.

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   No Blue Thunder only recently began doing the C7ZX version. They never did the COBRA lettered version.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 18, 2022, 10:46:52 AM »
For a set of well-tuned, equal length headers, look at a big block Ford GT. But to use them, you'd have to have a rear engine, or run them through the firewall and along the trans/diveshaft tunnel to get them out the back. And drive from the back seat. ;)

KS

     For that matter "all" Ford GT's had 180* headers.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New pistons were fly cut into ring landing
« on: February 18, 2022, 10:39:15 AM »
I will have to double check but I think it is strictly from the intake valve relief to the back side of the top ring recess. I don't think it really touched the top or bottom of the ring landing. It was not thru to under the dome. These are flat tops. I will take a closer look at the pistons and get back. They are not mine.

I see exactly what you mean by it may not really matter. The gas preassure is already hitting the top of the ring and getting behind the ring itself, which is all that small notch will allow gas to flow also. Any chance of oil some how being sucked up from below the ring on the intake stroke thru that small hole? (unlikely?)

    I GUARANTEE the piston will  fail , it is only a matter of when.  When vertical gas ports are drilled ( .043 hole) into the top of the piston , careful attention is paid to AVOID putting a hole in either of the two valve relief areas to prevent breakage. This is not a guess , this is from 30+ years in the piston industry and experience with the subject.
     Randy

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 17, 2022, 11:33:48 AM »
    Yes Frank , I was talking about a Holley carb , not 750 horsepower 289-302. A REALLY good 289 will make about 600. On an IR manifold , "runner length" make big differences. Side draft applications certainly have longer runner lengths an IMHO better all around power over downdraft applications.
      Please don't misunderstand MY opinion on Webers. It is "my experience" ONLY. I am NOT the "world's authority". I am "one" person relating "my " experience on small block Fords with various heads. Jay's experience is with an FE which I haven't done with Webers despite having owned a set up forty years ago. I can't explain why Jay had good results because of my inexperience with the FE version. Certainly a long stroke engine would have better "signal" to the carb than a short stroke small block and that could be a serious factor as to why it worked. To get a stronger signal on a small block the RPM has to increase and SO does valve action induced reversion , that is simple physics.
    Again,  "My" information / opinion is but "one" man's view and others are as or more successful than me , NO QUESTION.
    Randy

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Headers (another one for the rocket scientists)
« on: February 16, 2022, 04:02:00 PM »
    The typical "crossover" tubes were 4 and 8. This helped the firing rotation to where only two cylinders fired out of sequence in the collector instead of the usual four. Doug did it in an attempt to make the primary length more equal. A "true" 180 firing order set would have 4 tubes crossing over and are NOT worth the aggravation or expense. The tubing diameter and collector sizing make them VERY RPM sensitive. I ran them for about three years before I wised up and put on regular four tubes and picked up.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 16, 2022, 01:55:34 PM »
    I can't argue with what you found that is for sure! On the Boss 302 T/A IR dominator we LOST power going to two 750 dominators from two 1100s. Those manifolds had "communication passages" too! ( cross feeds). This could have something to do with our shorter strokes and attending reversion issues. I would hate to see someone going to the expense of making a one off manifold to lose power.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 16, 2022, 12:44:50 PM »
    No argument on what you found Jay but you might have made more with 58's like Ford did in the day. Now on a 289-302 a Victor Jr and 750HP are usually 30 better than Webers. I've done it more than once.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 16, 2022, 10:39:16 AM »
    Frank ,
      IR (individual runner) doesn't follow the same guide lines as a "common plenum" situation as far as cfm required.. For example the 255ci "pushrod" and DOHC indy engines used 58mm Webers. The '69 Boss 302 T/A race engines used TWO 1100cfm dominators. A "modern" 410 sprint car engine uses fuel injection with 3 inch diameter butterflies . All of these are IR applications . These would obviously be FAR too much if used on a "plenum" style intake manifold.
   Randy

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 15, 2022, 05:23:19 PM »
Although expensive, I think you best bet for a intake, would be a sheet metal Weber 48 IDA or even a a 48 IDF, cheaper and closer spacing.

     Frank  ,
       Webers , in an IR situation are too small to feed a 302. The best manifold I tested was the single plane , dual four using two 720 cfm carbs made specifically for the tunnel port 302. There  were some more exotic "bathtub" dual four intakes but the giant plenum really lost bottom end torque. A friend has one of these that backfired and "expanded" the top cover. Luckily it didn't explode!
      BTW , Scott (pbf777) has one of the ultra rare 3-2bbl tunnelport  manifolds. Few know it exists and "I" only know of the one Scott has. I owned one of the single four TP intakes but it had fuel distribution issues because of carburetor placement. Ford was really desperate to make the engine work and it didn't.
    Randy

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 15, 2022, 01:17:27 PM »
    Mine liked 8,200 for a shift point but it was a 5.315 rod 331. Now with the VicJr heads that replaced the TPs , it likes 8,000. (same short block). I think the stories ( from the day) of the tattle tale tachs reading 9,000+ were from downshifts because the engines didn't have enough valve spring to rev that high under power.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford 302 Tunnel Port Flow Numbers
« on: February 14, 2022, 05:14:55 PM »
    Gentlemen,
        I am one of the few that have used the "street" head which has some significant differences from the race head. I also ran the race head in '69 when they were "given away" literally . The first is the smaller valves Brent noted and because of the guide spacing it is not possible to install the race valve which was 2.150 in final form , though they did do some at 2.11 according to my SK notes. The tunnel port head had over thirty  revisions during the '68 season on the "race" heads. The street heads had a poor exhaust port (compared to the race head) as it was made for smog tubes. My heads were plugged and ported but the flow was about that of a C6FE head. BTW I had one of the best pairs of C6FE heads and the intake flow was a stout 260.
     My engine was a 331 so an additional 40 inches like Brent is using will completely change things for the better. It would be over 540 HP from my experience without taking Brent's skill and ingenuity. Mine was about 480-490. The intake manifold is one area where big gains could be found. There was/is a rare single plane dual four that made an honest 20-25 MORE than the more common dual plane. The only other possibility is a "small port" dual plane dual four that was made or the ultra rare single four ( two known to exist).
   I am anxious to see how Brent does on this one.
  Randy

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New pistons were fly cut into ring landing
« on: February 14, 2022, 03:46:50 PM »
 I certainly hope this is on the intake relief. Jay is correct about the "gas port effect BUT you have a short term chance of them surviving. Cylinder pressure will cause the area to flex during the combustion cycle and that WILL lead to the area cracking out "in time". In a drag race only application maybe 50 runs and POOF you will begin smoking. IF by some chance it is the exhaust side DO NOT attempt to run them and NO there is NO CHANCE of repair. The heat of the exhaust will melt the area very quickly. Welding is not an option as it distorts the ring land and anneals the area resulting in failure again.

   You have some ashtrays unless you are very brave.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gear Vendor fitment in 1965 Galaxie/390/C6
« on: February 10, 2022, 12:14:01 PM »
   Jason ,
       I haven't done the Galaxie , but I own two GVs and see no reason why they would not fit. The unit is narrow enough to stay in the tunnel and doesn't stick up above the adaptor , height wise. Mine are both in Ford trucks but I could give you dimensions so you could verify you have room.
   Randy

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FE Technical Forum / Re: End stands ?
« on: February 08, 2022, 04:07:24 PM »
  Out here in the west , Ted Wells was one of the first to make his own end support stands. Paul @PSE copied them and took them to marked as "his" design.

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