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FE Technical Forum / Re: “Autolite” AGM battery
« on: February 01, 2024, 12:32:54 PM »
You can probably use this case to house a regular battery. Then it would be cheaper to look period correct.

https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Autolite-Battery-Case-Only-Group-24-P482620.aspx

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Great interview with Ed Pink on the SOHC
« on: July 17, 2023, 01:30:22 PM »
Ed Pink implied in that interview that they developed the engine without knowing overhead cams were banned.

I had to rewatch the video to see what he said. "No one checked the rule book". So, you're right to point out that at the time Ford starting working on the SOHC, it was within the rules. I thought you were questioning the fact that NASCAR / Bill France outlawed the SOHC after Ford had made it when you said "at the time".

I've tried to find where I read Chrysler's protest to the SOHC but I can't find it. It doesn't surprise me though and Chrysler wouldn't be the first car manufacturer to threaten to quit a racing series to get their way. I think Enzo Ferrari is the champion of that move.



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FE Technical Forum / Re: Great interview with Ed Pink on the SOHC
« on: July 17, 2023, 11:01:44 AM »
I read NASCAR did outlaw overhead cams because Chrysler threatened to leave. When Ford got NASCAR to reverse their decision, it came with the weight penalty that would have made the cars too slow to be competitive. By this time Ford already had the FE developed into a competitive engine so they focused on that.

I never doubted that, because Chrysler threatening to leave would have been a big enough problem. By the time Chrysler made the threat, the SOHC had been developed. Remember, it only took a few months to create the SOHC. That would have all been in secret too.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/nascar-bans-426-hemi-sohc-ford-launch-wild-1965-racing-season/amp/

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Great interview with Ed Pink on the SOHC
« on: July 16, 2023, 05:59:20 PM »
There's a real shiny SOHC running coil on plug ignition in the video. That's pretty neat.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: SOHC Intake Manifolds
« on: July 11, 2023, 10:58:27 PM »
Here is a PDF of that article from HR. You should be able to download a copy in the upper right.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XnaSK1KeiNPgaosDDv1xhQSBBdGG4sGP/view

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FE Technical Forum / Re: SOHC Crate Engine On BAT
« on: February 20, 2023, 10:14:45 PM »
I’m all for the nastolgia stuff but 140 grand is a bit much.

I agree. BaT is the new auction house for the super rich. If any of you guys want to sell an awesome classic, BaT is the place to do it.

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FE Technical Forum / SOHC Crate Engine On BAT
« on: February 20, 2023, 02:07:24 PM »
I didn't see this as having been shared yet. A SOHC crate engine was auctioned off on Bring a Trailer. It sold for $140,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/ford-427ci-sohc-cammer-v8-crate-engine/

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FE Technical Forum / Re: NOS 427 SOHC cam spec question
« on: June 15, 2020, 11:52:11 AM »
Ford's crate engines were stated to make roughly 550 hp and 490 lb-ft for the single carb, 620 hp and 510 lb-ft for the dual carb. This comes from their SAE paper on the development of the SOHC.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New block source
« on: June 10, 2020, 02:49:24 PM »
BBM lists their iron FE blocks as weighing ~250 lbs and their aluminum FE blocks as weighing ~125 lbs. So half the weight.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New block source
« on: June 07, 2020, 11:15:22 PM »
That dynamic stuff kinda scares me.  If you have a 12:1 compression engine, somewhere around torque peak you are going to have a 12:1 compression engine no matter what the DCR math is telling you.

That's why you also need to consider a "boost" compression ratio, even on a naturally aspired engine because the VE could exceed 1 at peak torque, and definitely will on an engine built for performance.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New block source
« on: June 07, 2020, 10:33:55 PM »
Quote from: CaptCobrajet
I think it might be 40 hp at the 1000 hp level.  I think it might be more like 20 at the 500 hp level.  I believe it is linear like that with everything else a constant. 

The math on that, would mean an iron block makes 4% more power over an aluminum block. Considering aluminum expands more than iron when heated up, that could be a reasonable approximation. A tad more blow by due to aluminum having roughly twice the thermal expansion coefficient. A 4% difference in power when you're running carbs is somewhat negligible. It would be more noticeable on EFI builds. If you really wanted to prove this, don't just look at the dyno numbers. Connect a pressure gauge to a PCV system on two almost identical engines. Or maybe a MAF sensor would be better than a pressure gauge? I'm sure you all get the idea. If aluminum blocks make less power, it would be due to more blow by. This would eliminate the need to have identical spec engines, just two that are close enough.

My 0.00002 cents on the CR issue, the static CR is mostly meaningless when looking at pump gas or race gas, because that number doesn't take the cam or altitude or boost into account. It's the dynamic CR and dynamic cylinder pressures that will matter. I'm not nearly as experienced with engines as some of the guys on here, but I know the static CR is not what really matters. You could have a 10.5:1 CR but the wrong cam could turn that into a dynamic CR of 8.7. Similarly, you could have an 11:1 CR but wind up with a dynamic CR of 7.8. Heck, the static could be 9:1 but running a lot of boost could require race gas regardless of what even the dynamic CR shows. Even a little reading on dynamic CR will bring up roughly 8.5 is around the upper limit of pump gas, for N/A.

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What if you took the FE block design that Kirkham did, and had a mold made for that to use CGI or a steel alloy? Still light weight and would be stronger than pretty much any aluminum alloy. 7075 is pretty close in strength, but you still have the thermal properties of aluminum to deal with.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who wants a 64 lb, 427 Block?
« on: June 07, 2020, 01:59:01 PM »
What that video didn't cover, is the girdle that was designed to cap the mains. No need for cross bolting. It's worth it to follow the Kirkham FB page, as David Kirkham will often dive into the engineering they do and responds to questions too. I'm pretty sure the block would have been fine from an engineering standpoint. The cost is probably why not many of these have been made, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've made a few for customers. Once in a blue moon, they'll get a customer that wants a truly custom vehicle. The cost of the billet Cobra would have been insane for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbHRInu7Z5U

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I'd say 12 lb-ft of torque and 8 horsepower gain on a V8 when the only thing that was done was go from a 1/16, 1/16", 3/16" ring setup to 1mm, 1mm, 2mm ring setup is pretty significant. It's easy to dismiss these values because you do a lot to an engine to come up with an additional 20 hp, when you aren't handcuffed to a rule book that regulates pretty much every aspect of an engine. It's when engine builders start experimenting with certain parameters everyone else just took as a rule of thumb, that new regulations wind up being made. This reminds me of a personal interest of mine, mechanical variable valve timing. Some of you might remember Varicam and Cam-A-Go from back in the 60's, that's the stuff that really interests me. Well, not that long ago, Suzuki wanted VVT in their racing bikes but electronic VVT was banned. So, Suzuki designed a mechanical VVT system that used centripetal force to overpower a plate type spring that would allow the timing to be changed. In racing, most gains in performance are small gains. Overtime, the small gains add up to a faster race car. Mazda several years ago started emphasizing on shaving grams off of every part in a vehicle. Big picture, the car would weigh hundreds of pounds less.

Small gains add up quickly.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Clear SOHC valve cover
« on: June 27, 2018, 01:14:27 PM »
And the rocker spacers and timing chain are too. Sadly I think that motor has never been ran.

Awesome article though, thanks for sharing it. Some very cool pics in it. The series 1 cammer is neat.

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