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Messages - Barry_R

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we the people got screwed when the "MAP" policies went into effect.  Courts ruled it was not price fixing, but tomato, tomoto?

I would like to find suppliers other than Summitt and Jegs.

MAP pricing is driven by the manufacturers - not by retailers such as Summit or Jegs.
When I was at F-M and previously at Holley it was a constant battle to get the retail giants to alter their pricing on high volume parts.
Their respective business model was to always be cheaper than everyone else (including each other).
They would sell the higher volume parts below cost if necessary, and neither one would "blink" in a price battle.
All of their profit margin came from deal structure below the invoice - such as volume rebates from the various manufacturers.

This drove all of the little guys in the market out of business, and prevented innovation since cost was the only factor in selling to them.
We as manufacturers would sometimes change a part number just to work around the road blocks this put up.

MAP pricing - as distasteful as it is - fixed this problem.

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We - collectively as a consumer group - have done this to ourselves.

That company - under their current Speedmaster name and the previous Pro-Comp Electronics name - have been stealing designs and logos from recognized manufacturers for decades now.  They have visually cloned items from MSD, Holley, Autometer, and Edelbrock.  There have been a couple lawsuits, but nothing really deters them.  The parts have quality ranging from acceptable to dismal to outright dangerous.  They often supply private label product to large retailers.  The parts proliferate on eBay and Facebook.  The parts are visually identical to the "good stuff", sometimes to the point of including the brand name or logo of the original manufacturer.  They make claims about metallugy, performance and design that are entirely unproven and often unprovable by folks in the consumer marketplace. 

This is not the same as a company designing a product and sourcing it offshore - such as Scat does.  While not as desirable to us as making it here would be, they are not cloning somebody else's work, and they are not deceptive as to origin, quality or source country.

The only common thread is that the parts are cheaper - much cheaper.  Many customers purchase them, rationalizing the decision by saying that this is "just as good" as the real products at a lower cost.  When a large percentage of the high volume product sales go away, the original manufacturer has limited choices - they can raise prices on the rest of the line, purchase their own parts from a low cost country, or throw in the proverbial towel.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: max spring pressure with aluminum heads
« on: April 06, 2024, 09:46:02 PM »
I've had decent luck with the Heli-coils.  I've had time-serts break off at the "hat" - so I do not use them.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: max spring pressure with aluminum heads
« on: April 06, 2024, 08:21:12 PM »
Same deal here.  My heads have inserts for a reason.  I've pulled threads in aluminum at 610-620.

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Note - Hot vs cold lash on this iron/iron 351C is the same.

That's the way it is on FE's too.  I've never seen lash change between cold/hot on an iron/iron combo.

I have.  But it's not a lot.  Maybe .003-.004 max.

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He damn near kept it in his lane!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Turning Solid Drag Rotors?
« on: March 30, 2024, 07:43:39 PM »
Might find somebody with a grinder.
Racer I knew may years ago had stuff Blanchard ground somewhere here in Detroit - I've long since lost the info...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Quench
« on: March 30, 2024, 07:39:24 PM »
I suppose I can add to this - back up what has already been said.
While doing EMC engines I was chasing any possible advantage - and "everybody said that tight quench was "the ticket".

I had one package with .036 piston to head and it ran really well.
On disassembly many of the pistons had zero carbon on the quench and you could clearly see the machining marks from the head deck mirrored on the piston.
Also visible were very small raised burrs inboard of the quench pad - indicating head contact.
In talking to some pro level race folks they said that light contact would upset the rings and you could see it on vacuum - probably cost some small increment of power.

A later effort had me bring the piston well above deck, and using a rather thick and slightly small diameter Cometic gasket to hit an .037 target.
Idea was to bring the ring up as high as I could to the more rigid top of the bore, and reduce crevice volume.
Do not know if it was worth the work, but that one also ran pretty damn well.

A shorter compression distance is more forgiving - shorter roll couple rotating around the pin centerline on turnaround.

BTW - OEM deck heights and chamber volumes are darn near random numbers.
I have observed unmodified engines that were way, way off.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: valve float @5000
« on: March 29, 2024, 11:18:58 AM »
What's probably happening is that he's getting closer to coil bind at full lift.  My work years ago on the SOHC valvetrain showed how this quiets down the surging motion of the spring coils at high rpm.  I found that setting up for around 0.050" from coil bind at full lift gives you the full benefit while staying safe.  The NASCAR guys run about 0.003" from coil bind  :o :o

That was a pretty cool test series.  I think we all learned/confirmed a lot.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: engine balance (updated)
« on: March 27, 2024, 06:41:29 PM »
And check out that 750+ gram piston!
...and you wonder why they had rod/rod bearing problems back then....

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FE Technical Forum / Re: engine balance (updated)
« on: March 26, 2024, 01:19:09 PM »
Most balance guys (including me) will add in some fantasy number to the bob weight for "oil".
I have seen everything from "0" to 7 grams.
Nobody knows why we do that or what the proper value is/should be.
Sometimes we just do stuff to a target that the machine can provide - even if the target is way beyond the actual need.

A long way of saying "run it"...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Carter fuel pump
« on: March 21, 2024, 05:59:14 PM »
Making a ton of assumptions a 35gph volume is only good for around 450 HP.
But...gph ratings on fuel pumps are often "free flow" - meaning with the outlet line open.
Lines, fittings, bends, filters, desired pressure values and such will all reduce that actual volume.

Again - lots of assumptions - the outlet side of a fuel pump line size is less critical that the inlet side size. 
The inlet side is under vacuum - comparatively low.
The outlet side in under pressure which can be comparatively high.
This is why "in tank" pumps on new cars, running with high pressure, can use such small line sizing.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: piston skirt clearance
« on: March 16, 2024, 12:27:54 PM »
That .002 seems like a notable "miss".  After double and triple checking measured dimensions I would have no problem using Calico.   They are good folks. 
That type of coating is likely designed to be sacrificial, wearing thinner in high load areas to conform to the bore.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Calliope Engine Project
« on: March 12, 2024, 07:42:07 AM »
Spectacular

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FE Technical Forum / Re: oil gallery
« on: March 11, 2024, 08:40:30 PM »
I do like Rory - and just leave that one as a press in plug.  Unlike others it cannot really go anywhere (distributor in in the way).

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