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FE Technical Forum / Re: 390
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:55:04 AM »
I am finally putting together a replacement engine for my '66 Fairlane GT.
390, 75 cc C6AE-r heads. Rebuilt short block is together. Flat top .040 over.
I have three other blocks in a growing collection of parts, one of which will likely get a stroker kit, but this one will be a typical 390 build.

I have an alum 406 Ford Intake and a like new, performer 390 to choose from.
Both are about 15-20 hp down from a CJ or Perf RPM, at peak, according to Jays book. I have no "S" intake.

I am using a 270 S cam.

I was going to use the Stock 390 GT ex manifolds, but I will have to bite the bullet for FPA's.

The Goal is to come up with a reasonably streetable engine with at least 325 hp, the reason for my concern about the 390 power output, stock.

Jay's T bird engine from his book, was a similar build, but 38 ci larger.


 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 390
« on: May 11, 2011, 10:49:32 AM »
It is possible I shortchanged the GT.

I was actually using some of the data from your book on the GT exhaust and the S manifold.

The closest I could interpolate was your 428 T bird engine with the GT exhaust, using a decent intake, and then the same engine with the S intake and the dyno headers.

Taking both, deducting a bit for the 40 ci less displacement, results in a pretty low hp unit. It may be more than the 275, but I realize that few shops actually old stock engines!

I agree that waking up the 390 is certainly a case of intake and exhaust.

The old solid lifter 330 hp unit that a friends 63 Galaxie Fastback had is a far cry from the stock GT. It had the good iron manifolds and C3 Iron Intake.
So based upon your test data, and that engine, is why I figure the 390 GT was pretty anemic.

50 hp or so is on the table, with simple changes to a 390. I was amazed how even the Performer 390 was such an improvement over the "S", and using FPA headers had to bring you to 325 hp or so.

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FE Technical Forum / 390
« on: May 10, 2011, 12:38:17 PM »
It appears from Jays book on larger displacement FE engines, and from the other forums, that a std 390 GT from '66 on is a pretty anemic unit.

The stock GT intake and exhaust manifolds, as seen in Jays tests, would seem to limit them to 275 hp at 4800 rpm.
The 352 is just 40 hp shorter.

It appears that it is almost mandatory to install a decent set of headers and a good intake to get the 390GT close to Ford's advertised hp levels of 315-335 hp @ 5000.
How much does a solid lifter cam like the 270S  affect the output? 5700 rpm and more hp yet?
Are there any dyno tests hiding at jay's supporting 390's?


I am amazed how the stroker kit wakes the FE up; 400+ hp seems to be just about assured as the huge inches tame wilder cams, and the new rods seem to be a blessing for reliability.
 





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That engine is pretty much covered in Jay's book, more or less.
400 hp+-, maybe closer to 375.







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FE Technical Forum / Re: Capsaddle 416 first fire on the Dyno
« on: April 30, 2011, 10:13:52 AM »
I'm impressed! 393 hp and great torque. Great street unit!

The lack of timing at upper rpm makes sense. Dyno work is a lot differerent up close and personal-- as your case demonstrates. Dumb stuff happens a lot more than people realize.

Hard to believe that we sit MUCH closer to those roaring beasts in real life, than when in the armored dyno cell!
 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Capsaddle 416 first fire on the Dyno
« on: April 29, 2011, 05:36:53 PM »
Those "w's in the curve!!!  Uggh.

The run seems to start dying at 4000, like it has a stock cam, and except for the later "w"s, you'd assume it was so. W's= something wrong for sure.
The torque peak was certainly pretty much correct.

I remember from the video that there is a bit of clanking I can hear, like a loose rocker??

The torque produced is as you say, about what a healthy chevy should produce, so the dyno operator should have a good feel for things.

Should have been nearly 400 hp for sure.



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FE Technical Forum / Re: Capsaddle 416 first fire on the Dyno
« on: April 29, 2011, 11:14:58 AM »
Was it a quick sweep test, that just quit pulling,or a methodical, step test?

Since the engine pulled to 5800 no load, it indicates that the springs are likely ok and  the engine has loosened up properly.

The up and down on the power chart indicates an erratic mechanical problem-- either with the engine or less likely, the dyno load.


However, if the Water supply was getting erratic, ie pump running dry from inadequate supply, the dyno operator could have put more load in to control the engine from overspeeding from inability to hold it at the proper load factor.

It is possible to load an engine on the dyno, so that it will not rev past a certain rpm during a step test.
HP is just an arithmetic computation of work being accomplished---extracted from the torque produced at a specific rpm.

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