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FE Technical Forum / Re: low-mount sanden A/C compressor bracket
« on: December 14, 2023, 12:16:29 AM »
March Performance does a low right mount AC with the alternator above it.

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Private Classifieds / WTB 64 Comet lower rear quarters
« on: November 15, 2023, 09:19:04 PM »
Like the tittle says I’m in need of the mid to lower rear section of the quarter panels. Left and right.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rough 1 piece rear main seal ?
« on: August 27, 2023, 09:17:21 AM »
Sorry off topic but maybe relevant.
This summer I assembled a 351c using the complete FelPro set. The rear main seal protruded 1/4” above the block surface ,one side flush even with the crank in place.
I thought that excessive so I trimmed one end of each half to a more normal .050” each half with the crank in place.
Leaked pre oiling on engine stand.
I got another new FelPro seal,same dimension but installed as is,leak again while pre oiling!
Spent $30 on a Cometic ,about .050” protrusion, no leaks.

Discussing this with an engine builder friend his thought was trimming the seal caused a leak due to poor crush,then the untrimmed leaked because it held the cap from mating with the block. The condition of the mangled parting line of the seal showed that could be a problem.

So we now can add gaskets and seals to things we have to check prior to install.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Ideal temps and fan setpoints?
« on: May 30, 2023, 07:47:46 PM »
I look at it a bit backward,I want the fan off going down the road. TStat 185,off temp 190 on 195,fan 1. Fan 2 On 200 off 205. Fans run off a trianarry switch with AC on so fans only come on when high side pressure is high.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: transmission options
« on: May 01, 2023, 09:19:47 PM »
As a TKO600 owner since 2010 get a TKX mine will not go into 3rd gear at speed.
I would love to take mine to the track but I can’t get it into third to save my life.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351c Vibration/Growl
« on: October 21, 2022, 02:14:44 PM »
Falcon, it’s out.
Owner decided to go with a new rotating assembly with 4.0” stroke so for now we are going that direction.
The 400m/3.75 stroke assembly would be useable with 28oz Dampers and Flywheel as well as correct balance.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351c Vibration/Growl
« on: October 13, 2022, 08:23:59 PM »
More info…
400m crank turned down to 3.75 stroke. Counter weights cut down to clear block.
4.030 piston
Pin in the oil ring with support spacer.
6.125 rod 2.100 journal

No Mallory ,so Im fairly certain it’s not internally balanced.
Stock damper has counter weight plus some extra holes. Neutral flywheel.

Cam is off the shelf Comp. Hydraulic roller .Magnum series

I’m pretty sure the balance is off.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351c Vibration/Growl
« on: October 12, 2022, 09:40:32 PM »
1,3,7 firing order ….
Replaced plug wires and cap with HEI type…..no change.
MSD installed no change.


New info,engine is out.
Pan is off.
It looks like the counter weights have been turned to clear the block,and they are close.
It looks to have a fairly large counter weight at the center main.
No Mallory.
The piston bottoms have had metal removed.
Big end of the rods do not look to have had metal removed.
Right on the edge of the rear counter weight there is what looks to be an oval. I can’t tell if it says Ford.

Isn’t SCATS logo an oval as well?
So Internal balance?
External balance?
Next week I’ll know.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351c Vibration/Growl
« on: October 09, 2022, 03:08:53 PM »
Checked damper prior to engine install and again today,damper not slipped.
Flywheel not counter weighted.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / 351c Vibration/Growl
« on: October 09, 2022, 12:01:49 PM »
Ok right at the top I did not assemble the engine it is supposed to be a 408 stroker the owner purchased the short block assembled by an unknown party. The goal of the 71Boss 351 is as stock appearing as possible so stock exhaust manifolds,complete stock exhaust stock numbers correct damper.

The damper has had the offset weight machined out so the Assumption was the engine is internal balanced so a non counter weight flywheel was purchased.

Now a few problems I’ve found.
First on first fire up it leaked like a sieve, upper half of rear main backward….
Got that fixed and started again.
Setting floats
Verify idle
Alt charging
Set base timing
Rolled throttle off idle to about 2000-2500 and the engine just chugged and shook…..
I looked at timing again a verified it was only 25-30deg total.

After talking with an engine builder friend he tossed out rotor phasing. I set up to test and at base 15 deg the rotor was well past the No.1 post….hum.
The vacuum is disabled on this correct,less Pertronics, date coded distributor so the timing plate was locked incorrectly.It is important to the owner that the correct date coded vacuum can be in place even though it doesn’t work.
I reset the phasing and frankly it was much better I was able to verify total timing all in at 2800,36deg.
But still that growl /shake ….

In the past I have mistakenly installed a 28inoz flywheel on a 50inoz engine it didn’t growl but did feel like it was going to jump off the jack stands  at 3000rpm.

I’m open to any suggestion at this point.
I feel the engine needs to come out but just want to ensure it’s not a tune issue of some kind.
Easy things first.
I’m going to pull the starter and ensure there is no counter weight on flywheel,I put it on but didn’t take note because ,well “that’s the right one”.
Next pull clutch…..
Beyond that any ideas?

Thanks for your help I know there are some very knowledgeable builders here that’s why I’m asking.
 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Edelbrock intake differences
« on: August 17, 2022, 10:29:36 PM »
First Joes offer is very generous and might bridge the gap nicely between a stock for stock intake.

I have a thought on your mileage not improving with the OF.

From my own,insane, cruise carb tuning on a BG 800 on my 433ci FE that got 18mpg with 3.70 gear and TKO .64 At 75mph I can say dropping cruise RPM from 2900 to 2000-2200 puts the carb in a high load condition. Add your truck being much heavier than my Mustang and I bet your running on the main jet AND opening the power valve (Holley?).

If your running 13:1 at cruise,2200rpm that will be costing you 2-3mpg for sure. The problem is that load and engine set up will want a bit more RPM.
With an O2 indicator,Vacuum gauge and tach if you pay attention to minor changes you can actually see the carb circuits stack one on another. I found it interesting how much time the engine runs on the transition circuit NOT the main jet.
What could be happening is at low rpm your actually running on the main because you have the throttle blades opened more than you do at lighter load at 2900RPM where it’s actually running on the transition circuit.
Add the fact that low rpm high load is dropping the vacuum so the PV is open as well.

It might be said your lugging the engine.

At one point my Mustang had a cam in it that caused the car to chug below 2300 rpm, but was smooth at 2600.
With my 3 tools above I could see how messed up the fueling was below 2500rpm.

Paying attention to the vacuum at the same road speed in D and OD then maybe D at the same RPM that the OD drops the engine too (even though it’s a lower speed) may help you understand the load the engine is seeing.

I found it very interesting and rewarding how simple jet ,air bleed ,and IFR charges effect the fuel curves.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: PSE air cup valve "spring" system?
« on: August 08, 2022, 11:41:21 PM »
“Free valve” is very interesting ,I’m imagining the valves truly following the piston at overlap. Intake full open BTDC then closing slightly when the piston is at the top of its stroke then chasing it down the bore.

The Dyno time playing with that technology ……

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FE Technical Forum / Re: PSE air cup valve "spring" system?
« on: August 08, 2022, 11:25:25 PM »
Desmo worked great on my Ducati

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FE Technical Forum / Re: PSE air cup valve "spring" system?
« on: August 07, 2022, 10:36:14 AM »
Oh boy a Pro Stock Paul thread!
I actually think it was Paul’s dad who came up with and built a set up for a race engine ,but getting it all to work in the 70’s ,more than once was a problem.
Think about it , at 7000rpm the valves have to cycle about 66 times per second. I don’t think at the time air bladders small enough to fit could maintain the 400psi needed to control the valves.

Now the real advancement would be replacing the camshaft with a computer that would signal electronic solenoids to open and close the valves. No cam,rockers,pushrods maybe not even a spring.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FPA HEADERS
« on: July 13, 2022, 11:41:00 PM »
1968 Mustang,FE Ron Morris motor mounts TKO 5 speed with Old (now) Quick Time bell housing.

I was Autocrossing my Mustang and the Hooker 6114 where taking a beating being only 2 inch off the ground.
I swapped to FPA’s.
Yes the grinder came out to clearance the block. My Idler arm bracket no longer has nuts holding it on,thread inserts and safety wired bolts.
15 bolts hold the headers on,one on each side not installed.
I installed them on my back.
Tightening the bolts was a ……..well you know.
They go right in though.

Performance.
The way I used the car the loss of mid range was noticeable compared to the long tube headers.
I Autocrossed in 2nd gear 1500-6000rpm,maybe a bit more but I only hit my 6500 rpm Rev limiter once and it was with the long tubes. With the long tubes I got noticeable wheel spin ,the FPA’s are much softer…
Jays Dyno test started at 2500 and 3000rpm,I ran lower.

But they don’t drag!
They are still on the car.

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