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FE Technical Forum / Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« on: October 26, 2020, 09:54:29 AM »
This was new science back in the 60's is why Ford did what they did , Ross has it right that with a CR you're either gearing for take off or gearing it for highway , CR's need a 5th or sixth gear if you want good take off and good cruise rpm

For sure, having only four gears (or three!) will always be a compromise of some sort.   Even in my 5 speed Saturn I catch myself trying to shift into "6th" sometimes. 

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 26, 2020, 04:52:00 AM »
Well, I did have a "feeling" that I should tear this engine down, LOL!   It has always run good, leakdown was good, etc.  It's also been been run hard.  I didn't keep track of the miles, but it's less than 10K, I think.  I am glad I did tear it down now.  It might have had multiple issues.

Thanks for all the comments and insight.

paulie

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 26, 2020, 04:30:06 AM »
Paulie, I'm trying to get caught up on your engine. Was this teardown from the concern about the valve lash moving every now and then? I spot what looks like an unhappy cam bearing in the last couple pics. Could explain why the lash moved and why the skirts got scuffed. I also agree a sharp edge on the bottom of the bores is a likely cause as well. Hope you get it resolved.



The teardown is just to build a new motor.  I didn't have a specific reason other than that.  So these issues are pretty much academic other than I don't want the new motor to have the same issues. 

When I pulled the cam it didn't come easy at first.  There was some resistance and then it came easily.  I didn't think much of it at the time.  So I am not sure about the cam bearings.  It looks like something was going on there, but I might've tweaked 'em more on the way out.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 26, 2020, 04:24:11 AM »
I spot what looks like an unhappy cam bearing in the last couple pics. Could explain why the lash moved and why the skirts got scuffed.

A very unhappy cam bearing. That's a burred edge sticking out the side of it. Might have happened when pulling the cam out, but you can see the edge of the bearing is rolled over also.

I've been looking at that, too.  The cam didn't pull out easy.  I didn't think much of it at first.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« on: October 25, 2020, 06:42:31 PM »
We are lot softer today.  We want to be able to let out the clutch with little throttle and accelerate immediately.  Nothing wrong with that.  It is just that expectations are very different in 2020 vs. 1970.  It is a half of a century I am talking about so keep that in perspective.  If you are old school, it will be no problem with a close ratio toploader and a moderately low rear gear ratio. 

paulie

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« on: October 25, 2020, 05:34:29 PM »
If the close ratio is so unpopular, as it appears to be given all the negative feedback here, why did Ford put them in the big cars from the factory?

I don't know that CR toploaders are all that unpopular.  You're hearing from a very tiny population and drawing a false conclusion. 

If you simply must have as much torque multiplication as possible starting off, then you need a WR.  Me?  I love my CR box.  It's a custom Kee nodular case big in and out long tail close ratio box.  I could have had David build a WR box at no additional cost but chose the CR box.  I like banging gears in a CR box since you have less RPM drop between gears and I like that roadrace sound running through the gears even when I'm not buzzing it.  I am running a 3.89 gear and I can slip the clutch at idle and the car will easily get rolling.  For a pure street car, I wouldn't have it any other way.

If I was drag racing a lot and was on slicks, or had an engine that made very little torque below 3kRPM, I'd consider that steeper First gear with a WR box.  I had a fairly light weight car with a small but peppy engine, 4.57 gear, and a WR box.  On the street, First gear was useless.  I could leave the throttle at idle and side step the clutch and it would not kill the engine.  I usually started off in Second.  I was running 30" tall slicks and it was great on the strip.  I needed as much gear as I could get.

You still need to figure out your rear ratio.  It would be a disaster to try using a CR box with a 3.0 rear gear unless you're converting to a Power Stroke.

My experience has been more like yours with regards to gear ratios in real world use in street cars.  I have had a couple of combo's where 1st gear was just like a fuzzy idea that could maneuver you to 2nd gear where you could start doing some real work.  I've never had a heavy car like a Galaxie, with a high rear gear, and not a lot of power.  I think that would be bad.

The internet wisdom now seems to be to use huge amounts of gear ratio and huge displacement, but in real life on real street surfaces with real street tires, it's not so simple.  Not too many people actually try to run their machines in the 1/4 in street trim, on the street.

That said, with only 4 gears in a big Galaxie, with some importance placed on highway cruising,  I'd lean to a wide ratio Toploader. 

...........or get two sets of rear tires and wheels and use the close ratio.  Get one set tall (29"?)and one short (26"?), then get a rear gear that compliments both. 

JMO,

pl

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Hone overdrive?
« on: October 25, 2020, 05:08:41 PM »
Anybody ever use a Hone overdrive on their 9 inch Ford?  I know Gearvendors is the thing now, but I like the old school vibe with the giant manual shift lever on the trans tunnel? 

thanks for any experiences or thoughts,

paulie

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 03:13:25 PM »
I plan on boring the block, the minimum amount.  It is currently at 4.155".  I hope to go 4.165" if possible.  I would go 4.160" if that would work.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 03:04:12 PM »
If they mic good no reason you can’t reuse Could coat or just let it be there for a little extra oil retention :)

Whole new rotating assembly going in.  Just looking at pistons for information/learning purposes upon disassembly. 

thanks,

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »
The particles seem to be 99% leaf debris from my garage.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 01:57:21 PM »
A lot of particles in those pics!  I am not sure if that is just from the block being exposed or if they were already there.  Going to take a closer look.....

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 01:17:17 PM »
Agree completely, are you trying to reuse?

Not reusing.  Just intellectual curiosity...and mechanical prophylaxis.  Not reusing pistons.

pl


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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 25, 2020, 01:12:32 PM »
I'd say Brent-o-bean is correct.  This is the worst cylinder, number 5.  It looks like a sharp edge and "scrape-age" occurred there.  It might not be the only issue, but it looks like one.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 24, 2020, 06:14:25 PM »
Hard to get a good pic with the crank in there.  I will take another one after it's out.  The bottom edge of the cylinder feels "half-way sharp edged".  Definitely not a large chamfer or radius there, but not sharp either.

The pattern is only on the thrust sides.

pl

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 piston pics
« on: October 24, 2020, 04:36:28 PM »
Take a pic of the bottom of the cylinder.

If there’s a sharp edge there, it will roll the aluminum off the piston and then you get metal up in the cylinders.

WILCO on that.  I ran my finger along the bottom of the cylinders and it didn't feel like a sharp edge to me, but I will take a pic.

thanks,

pl

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