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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Intake install questions
« on: February 08, 2024, 06:10:07 PM »
Ok ... I just checked the temp range of Dow Corning 732 clear. It is good up to 356 degrees F with occasional spikes up to 401 degrees. Then I researched typical intake manifold temperatures. That varies but generally speaking they should be around 250 degrees F at the upper end so the Dow Corning 732 should be good. I also found that the Dow Corning 732 Black has a slightly higher temperature rating ... maybe around 450 degrees F. I will see if I can find my receipt and return the "Right Stuff" back to the store.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Intake install questions
« on: February 08, 2024, 05:58:50 PM »
Thanks to all.

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FE Technical Forum / FE Intake install questions
« on: February 08, 2024, 09:41:42 AM »
I just finished watching Brent's video on intake installation. I'm wondering what type of silicon was used. I have purchased a small tube of "The Right Stuff" which is supposed to be what a lot of manufacturers are using now. I noticed that he placed a thin layer on the gasket ( both head side and intake side ) around all of the ports and water passage openings. Is this still a good practice with the regular Fel Pro gaskets ( they come in the set ) ? I also am aware that some still use the Permatex Red Spray on both sides and don't have any leaks. The gaskets have a slight protrusion or raised ridge on one side and I don't know if the silicon would interfere with that. This is primarily a street motor ( 410 with stock CJ heads and a Performer RPM intake ). I did the test fit by laying the gaskets in place and simply dropping down the intake in the proper location. I got lucky. The top surfaces where the valve cover gaskets rest is perfectly even on all 4 corners while the intake rests on the gaskets. What would be the torque value on the bolts in this situation ?         Bob

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam retaining plate bolt question
« on: January 12, 2024, 04:04:42 PM »
I'll check the clearance again. The engine builder has been putting together FE motors for years but it doesn't hurt to verify. I do have a source close by that has grade 8 bolts available in a variety of lengths.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam retaining plate bolt question
« on: January 12, 2024, 01:25:47 PM »
Thanks Brent. I now feel more confident on what I have. My bolts are 7/8 long but they should still be ok. I will go to 40 to 45 Pounds with some Loctite.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cam retaining plate bolt question
« on: January 12, 2024, 12:54:41 PM »
DO you remember how big the actual bolts were ? I either have something that was tapped to a bigger size many years ago or something really odd.

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FE Technical Forum / Cam retaining plate bolt question
« on: January 12, 2024, 10:57:13 AM »
I just installed my new cam. The motor was previously re done and when I got the car from the deceased owner's parents the motor was ready to drop in. However, I was not pleased with the cam that the engine builder used so I changed it. The block has a casting code of C7ME with no additional numbers or suffix letters. I am now re installing the cam retaining plate and the bolts that the engine builder used looked like original bolts. They were Grade 5 with some Ford Blue paint and they were 7/16 x 14 and 7/8 inch long with no washers ( 5/8 wrench needed ). They did have some sort of sticky stuff on the threads and I'm guessing that it was a thread locker. The previously installed timing chain ( still new ) is a double roller type. The holes in the block for these retaining bolts look to be original. Based on what I have been reading I'm not sure if this was typical. What torque spec should I use for these bolts ?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oiling system question
« on: November 01, 2023, 02:35:49 PM »
Thanks Barry. The engine is still new and sitting in a cradle. Now is the time for changes.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oiling system question
« on: October 31, 2023, 01:39:44 PM »
Thanks Frank. I'll do some homework now.                   Bob

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oiling system question
« on: October 31, 2023, 10:06:42 AM »
Thanks Brent. I will strongly consider the pan upgrade. As far as the dipstick is concerned, I remember reading something about the original stock dipsticks need to be re marked or replaced. Any thoughts ?

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FE Technical Forum / Oiling system question
« on: October 31, 2023, 09:11:16 AM »
Ok, I'm getting closer to getting my car on the road. After taking the advice of those here whenever I originally posted my Horsepower question I am now wondering about the oiling system. Here are the new particulars:..

66 Fairlane GT ( Toploader )
3:50 Detroit Locker
410 setup ... 390 ( + .030 ), 428 crank
Icon 410 pistons
428 CJ factory heads with new undercut valves ( original factory sizes ) no extra porting
FPA custom built ceramic coated headers with 2 1/2 inch exhaust
Howards Rattler Cam
       Intake .548 281 duration, Exhaust .548 289 duration
       Lobe Separation 109, Intake C/ L 103
       Duration at  .050 ... Intake 227, Exhaust 235
Edelbrock Performer RPM with Holly 750
Pertronix Ignitor II centrifugal advance
Considering my anticipated usage ( cruise ins, car shows, with occasionally throwing my foot into it and maybe once or twice a year making a couple of passes at the strip ) I am wondering about the adaptor that the oil filter screws into. My current part number indicates an original older piece ( C0AE 6884 A ) and it looks like I have a stock oil pan. Is it worth my while to upgrade to the later version 428 CJ adaptor piece which is supposed to have bigger holes and should I upgrade the pan considering my anticipated usage ? Any thoughts will be welcome. Thanks.               Bob

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Horsepower Guesstimate ?
« on: January 16, 2023, 07:30:34 AM »
I appreciate the "Words of Wisdom". After giving this more thought ... and getting past some of my financial hesitancies ...I ordered the FPA 16 bolt headers and am looking into 428 CJ heads or aftermarket heads and a bigger cam. Yup, I'm "GOING BIG" ... so to speak. This will be my one chance to have some fun and I want to go for it. The general consensus from my local sources was that no matter what cam I used I would be unhappy with the results because of the heads. I would like to thank Doug Bender ( current President of the Fairlane Club of America ) for forwarding to me his recipe for his 390 build on a budget. I'm using it as a guide ... maybe with some minor adjustments.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Horsepower Guesstimate ?
« on: January 12, 2023, 05:12:58 PM »
Ok ... new plan. I just spent about an hour on the phone with a good friend who has done a lot of Ford racing over the years. The new game plan is to give up on the idea of changing the camshaft. We think that I can wait for a while longer to get the car on the road and go all in on the motor that I have. Step #1 will be to contact FPA and order the 16 bolt headers since they will work with a variety of heads. Then it gets more complicated but I should be able to still wind up with something pretty strong. I was originally going to hold out for a 427 or 428 based motor but this current motor ( 416 ) is not too far off the original 428 ( 426 in reality )... a 10 cubic inch difference. I should be able to wind up with something pretty respectable.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Horsepower Guesstimate ?
« on: January 12, 2023, 07:51:45 AM »
I am willing to get the headers, particularly if the 16 bolt pattern will work. That will help with the eventual changeover to better heads. Also, I will be installing a little less restrictive mufflers. I am probably not prepared at this point to buy new heads. What would be the cost of new heads and can I use some of my other stuff on the current heads ( newly done and never run ) to help minimize the cost ?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Horsepower Guesstimate ?
« on: January 11, 2023, 03:27:26 PM »
UPDATE ... now I have some more info ... and still need some more input. My rocker system does have the adjustable setup with some sort of rocker rails that are highly polished ( shiny ). The dimensions of the shaft are as follows: .838 overall diameter, .569 inside diameter, about .135 wall ( material ) thickness. I currently have the factory reproduction CJ exhaust manifolds. I am considering the upgrade to FPA headers but I have another decision to make. I have the GT 14 bolt heads and at some point in the future I would upgrade the heads for sure to the 16 bolt CJ or aftermarket heads. I heard from one of our Fairlane club members who said that he ran the 16 bolt FPA headers on the GT heads utilizing 8 bolts and they sealed up for him without any major issues. Does anyone else have any experience with this ? Now for the next issue ... I am planning on obtaining the rocker rail end supports to firm things up a bit. Now for the big question ... I need a bigger cam to get where I want to be ... mid 13's with a really bumpy idle so it sounds good in a parking lot. Any recommendations ? like around a .560 or slightly higher lift with a lot more duration and a slight change in the lobe separation ( for more chop ) ? I want to place my order for headers as soon as I get some feedback form y'all, and also order the cam and end brackets as well. Thanks.             Bob

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