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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 22, 2020, 06:33:18 PM »
Took the car out for about an hour today after wrapping the oil cooler in metallized 3/8" ceramic wool thermal barrier.  The air temp was in the low 60s.  The water gauge read between 80C and 85C.  The oil temp read a tad above 40C.  I put an instant read thermocouple on the remote oil filter mount and it read 180F (82C).  That makes me feel better that everything (except the oil temp gauge) is working the way it should.  I'm guessing either it's just a calibration issue with the bourdon tube, or the tube is cooling the liquid inside and messing up the reading.  I can live with it being low, as long as the oil is not too cold.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 04, 2020, 09:38:59 PM »
Bro' James had a near new 1970 Boss 302 with the Drag Pack (think that was the name) options inculding the rare oil cooler. After driving the car for awhile, we figured that even in mainly warm-hot weather city driving, the oil never really got very warm let alone hot.

Although the oil was clear and not frothy from moisture, we made up a simple cover to totally block the cooler. Problem solved and proved to us the cooler should have been a track-only thing.
I fab'd a cover out of ceramic wool/aluminum heat shield material.  Will test it out this weekend, and confirm oil temp with a TC.

A friend of mine had an ERA Cobra that had an FE in it. I remember him calling me that he thought the oil temp gauge was bad as it to so much longer to get heat into the oil than the water temp. The oil definitely takes longer get to a temperature than the cooling system. Just an observation not scientific.

My oil definitely takes about 10 min longer to move off the peg than the water.  Once it comes up to 40C-60C, however, the pressure gauge makes me think it's at temp.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 02, 2020, 07:56:59 PM »
Non contact thermometer IR gun’s are great for this. Quick verification of gauge function.
That's a good idea.  I was also thinking of sticking a thermocouple down the dipstick tube once the engine was hot and after I turn it off.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 02, 2020, 07:54:27 PM »
The pressure gauge can give you some indication of when the oil is nice and hot. Not a number though. With the exception of the high volume or high pressure pumps it is usually easy to note the idle oil pressure will reduce as the engine comes up to temperature.

+1 to Joe-JDC and Cjshaker. They were on point as usual.
My oil pressure gauge acts normal once the temp gets up to 40C, which is one reason I suspect my oil temperature gauge is inaccurate.  The oil pressure when cold is ~70 psi and doesn't change much with RPM (I am running 15W40 and keep the revs below 3k until the water temp gets up to 80C).  Once the oil temp gauge moves off the peg, the oil pressure rises and falls with RPM as expected, dropping down to ~28 psi at idle when the oil temp gets to 40C.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 02, 2020, 03:24:34 PM »
Not to mention evaporating off condensation in the engine and any water that makes it's way in to the pan (under the right circumstances, condensation can get thick enough to run droplets of water down into the pan).
That's my primary concern--I want to drive off the water.  I suspect I am as my oil looks and feels good, but the fact that the temp is reading relatively cold makes me wonder.

Evan

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 02, 2020, 09:12:16 AM »
I'd bypass the oil cooler altogether.  I haven't seen a Cobra yet that really needs one.   I've got engines in Cobras in California and Texas and they're not needed, even there. 

Keith, Cobras were based on cars made in the UK.....Smiths gauges are in Celsius.

Brent,
Disconnecting the oil cooler is a possibility.  I suspect, however, that most of my issue is calibration/correlation between the oil temp and water temp since I don't see any difference in oil temp with the oil cooler masked off.

Thanks,
Evan

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Temperature?
« on: March 02, 2020, 09:09:01 AM »
Any oil temperature below the boiling point of water is a concern. However the temperature at the sensing  unit can be 30 or 40F less than deeper in the block. A  second measurement device even temporary can help with calibration .
Gaugster,
Thanks.  That's kinda what I suspect--the measurement bulb is not in the right place or the bourdon tube is out of cal.

'67,
My Smiths temp gauges came marked in centigrade and pressure is in psi and speedo is mph. I admit while I did unnatural things to get the correct fuel gauge in my replica, I did not pay any attention to the units on the gauges.

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FE Technical Forum / Oil Temperature?
« on: March 01, 2020, 04:46:37 PM »
I have a 470ci BBM FE in a Cobra replica.  I have Smith's gauges, and the oil temp doesn't come up to temp the way I think it should.  The car has an oil cooler, but even with it taped off, the oil temp reads around 40C after 20 min or so.  I've seen it as high as 60C, but I'd expect the oil temp to be at least as high as the water at steady state (the water gets to 80 and stays between 80 and 90C during operation).  The oil temp gauge is mechanical.  I'm wondering if it is a calibration issue, or if the oil is really only getting up to 40C?

What suggestions do you all have?

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In my ERA Cobra built in 2017 I had to run a hydraulic TOB because of the QuickTime fork location.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Which nonsynthetic oil to use
« on: May 10, 2019, 09:14:46 AM »
From my research (not personal experience, so you get what you pay for) the VR1 and Brad Penn oils are good, if expensive.  A less expensive option that I chose to run (still has 1200 ppm ZDDP) is Rotella 15w40--runs about $15/gallon on sale.

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I suppose I should have mentioned that clearances range from .0025-.0035. The engine has probably 5k road miles and about 30 track passes, so it's broke in. With my clearances, zero or 5 weight is not something I want to go to. I've been using Rotella 15w-40, but I think they've dropped some of the zinc additives from their newest blends. As usual though, details are hard to come by. Mobil is pretty open about their blends and zinc content, at least on their website. My concern is for the flat tappet cam.
Doug,
I emailed both Shell and Chevron to ask about ZDDP levels in their diesel oil (Rotella and Delo) as I was figuring out what to run in my new 470 FE with flat hydraulic tappets.  Chevron reduced their ZDDP from ~1200 to 800 ppm and added other additives (ash?) to compensate while meeting EPA standards.  Shell Rotella still has 1200 ppm ZDDP.  I have no idea why Shell is able to make their higher zinc additive compliant while Chevron (and other companies) couldn't.

A member of our Cobra club was a development engineer for Chevron in charge of their racing program for many years.  He convinced me that the 1200 ppm ZDDP diesel oil is the best for performance engines (claims even race teams sponsored by Penzoil, etc. used Chevron Delo because it flat worked in race conditions).  He recommended using Delo, but adding ZDDP additive since the Delo now has reduced zinc.  I understand his loyalty to Chevron, but that seems a little silly when I can get Rotella that already has the right zinc level in it.  I'm planning to use the Rotella starting my first oil change.  Given the relatively low mileage my Cobra will see, I figure dino makes more sense since I'm going to want to change the oil every 3k anyway.

I'll close by saying that the whole oil thing is a mystery, in large part because of the proprietary nature of the compounds.  There's a whole lot of opinions, but the only folks that really seem to have data are the oil companies, and they wrap marketing-speak around everything.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Sealed PCV
« on: March 14, 2019, 07:14:53 PM »
One other question--I've heard the inspectors are sticklers for the correct "PCV" hose and you can't use fuel line.  Is there an online source where I can get the right elbow and hose, or am I best off just heading to the auto parts store?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Sealed PCV
« on: March 12, 2019, 04:20:19 PM »
Thanks for the answers.  Looks like it's back to Napa for a valve cover fitting, a PCV hose and grommet for the base of the air cleaner.  The oil fill cap seemed to easy to be true.

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FE Technical Forum / Sealed PCV
« on: March 11, 2019, 02:54:23 PM »
I need a totally sealed PCV system to get my CA specially constructed vehicle registration as a 1965 Cobra.  I have a PCV in one valve cover with a tube going to the intake manifold.  Will the engine run ok (at least temporarily) if I replace the other open valve cover vent with an oil fill cap (basically sealing it), or do I need to run a tube from the other valve cover to the air cleaner?

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Protecting polished aluminum..
« on: December 14, 2018, 09:40:00 AM »
Does anyone have any experience with the snake-oil-good Gibbs Lubricant?  With all of the infomercial pitches floating around, I'm very tempted to try it, although the skeptic in me says it's probably just a little protectant in alcohol.

http://www.roadsters.com/gibbs/
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