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Member Projects / Re: FE Intake Adapter
« on: March 02, 2014, 06:17:37 AM »
Jay B. Jay I still want a MR manifold. Do you have any left? Just need an address and cost of the unit. I think I had my name added to your list way back. Rick L.

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Hi Guys I work for GM and will bing up a few things I know from working on Sierras and other trucks. NOBODY is getting better that 20 mpg here in the northeast. Hook these trucks upto a trailer and all are in the 12-14 mpg running at 65 mph. Take them into the Penna hills and down to 10-12 mpg. I have a 2000 gmc 1 ton. I get between 10-13 mpg all the time. If you live in a flat area the mileage is possible with an egg under the gas pedal. The new truck have a 20% larger frontal area, running tires that are 40-70 pounds apiece. Have also increases the diameter to anywhere to 22" wheels with a 275- 285 width. Roll resistance is higher. Caddie tryed the 8-4 cylinder game back in the early 80's and had limited luck with it. Most people kept the motor in 8 cylinder operation because of waiting for the trans to downshift and very slow acceleration. This has not changed alot today. The computors are faster, but the truck still lugs at highway speeds. The new Dexos oil also sucks and has little to no protection of the internal parts. people are also driving the truck or car to the end of the oil life. We get trucks and cars that come in for lof and have only 2-3 quarts in the oil pan. There is no low oil pressure warning that will save the motor if you are this low. The new oil senders are now switches with the low switch working at 12 psi. No motor will live long at this psi reading. I am sure that both Dodge and Ford have the same problems with oil consumpion. GM has dropped the oil changes to 4,000 miles from 6,000. Mobil 1 is helps but again the oil consumpion is happening. GM runs a 5W-30 oil and Fords running a 5W-20. I am old school and no way would I run the weight oil and towing a rig through the northeast. I am sure the Ford techs have the same problems with motors at Ford too. Few mileage tests are done where? Iowa, Kansas? Flat ground and a great tail wind. Is this with the AC on or off on a hot day of 95f temp. What speed is the test done at? 45-48 mph? It's not 65-75 mph. Rick

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FE Technical Forum / Re: intake for Jay's adapter.
« on: March 02, 2014, 05:19:03 AM »
Jon I did my own FI system on a single plane dove manifold back in 97. It's not preety but works. If you are looking for flow numbers, send the unit to Joe Craine and let him do his magic of matching the ports and encreasing the flow. I see no problem with him picking up 10-30 cfm per port. Rick L.

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Vendor Classifieds / Re: FE Intake Adapters
« on: January 01, 2014, 06:02:33 AM »
JayB Jay want to be added to the list for a 13002 manifold with spacer plates. Need ifno where to send money. Rick L

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 3rd member help
« on: January 01, 2014, 05:44:08 AM »
sixty9cobra going to a 31 spline is going to be stronger and take more abuse. The questions I have is what is causing the motor to go flat at 5,800 rpms?? If its the valve springs, they need to be changed. What is the 60' times? A little suspension work with adjustable shocks  would help. Battery in truck of car? What are the air pressures on the tires? What clutch are you running? Video your car racing and look at the hookup. Front end lift and rearend squat? If you have to make another shift in the 1/4 mile, it will cost you more time that going through redline. Ask Jay but I think that Jay motor was a 6,700 rpm limit motor and still making power. 500 rpm over the max HP rpm is all you need to goto. The motor will spin higher but you are wasteing time and motor over time. 3" pipes may also be too big for your motor. We need some back pressure to help the motor make max power. 1-2 hg. Electric cut outs with short pipes may also be an idea for your racing. Over the years, I have seen may guys goto higher gearing myself too and the problem is blowing the tires up on launch and high 60' times. Jays car has alot of testing done to get max power to the track. Was it 2005 before you raced with the blower? Believe he was running a 511 with WORK. Good luck Rick L.

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Here's my take on this question, the wheel follows the profile of the camshaft lobe. The profiles may be a little different at base. If the materials are of the correct hardness. I see no real problem, all things beening equal. Here's where a I think a problem may happen, Lack of lube pressure or splash between roller and camshaft. Too high of a spring pressure. Is this not the reason some guys went to a .904" lifter? Over revving or banging the rev limiters is not helping. Valve float IN my opinion is more of a failure cause of hydro rollers than anything. I have run a set of hydro crane rollers for 9 years. No problems or failures. Have also run high oil pressure in the 70-85 psi range. I know alot of guys don't agree with this high pressure. Also limit of motor rpms to 6,200 has prevented problems. I am building another shelby motor in the 498 range with hydro rollers and a .650" lift camshaft. TWM 58MM throttlebodies. I see no reason or problem with running hydro rollers and beehive springs again. Another 10 years of abuse and no major failures would be nice. Small side note with lifters now pressurizing oil to the pins or oil holes directly over the roller wheels, I can't see why you would have a roller lifter blow apart unless debrie, no lube, or slop in the valve train would cause the roller to freeze up, or bang on the camshaft. JMO  Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Scary FAIlure !
« on: June 16, 2013, 06:07:57 AM »
Bartlett No to be a bad guy here but have you checked the lobe on the camshaft all 360 degrees? Bottom of the lifter? And last, cut open the oil filter and check for metal in the pleats. You have some of the best engine builders here. It's kind of wierd that only 1 adjuster failed or is having a wear problem like that. I hope it is just poor hardening treatment. 1 small note, Comp cams doesn't make those adjusters, they are out sourced. Hope motor is OK. Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Pre-lubing tool
« on: September 21, 2012, 03:45:35 AM »
mlcraven Mike first off,Thanks for your services. Now for a couple of ideas. You are spending alot of money to build this car. As for how much useage it's going to get, I don't know. Here's a couple of things to look into.
If the car is not going to be in a 100% orginal then adding a accusump to the car with a 2 or 3 quart system would be a good idea. It works as a pre oiler in the motor before starting. This will give the motor about 30 psi. NO dry starts. Extend the life of the motor by years. Can be used electrically or manual with a valve and cable pull. All needed to to run a line to the oil sender port off a TEE and you have oil. Just need to refill tank after startup. Have to shop around and price a kit. Canton and Morosso are the leaders in this.
 For prelube on startup, the other guys have it right with a shaft and strong 1/2 drill to build up pressure. Add good breakin oil and suppliments and follow a 15-20 minute breakin and keep the rpms around 2,000.
 Last Oil suppliments, I have done testing on my own rigs over the last 15+ years and found that Lucas oil suppliemnt is a cligging oil that helps stop dry startups. It does cost a couple of HP, ( 5-8) but after motor has been sitting for a week you have almost complete drain back of the oil to the oil pan. Last run the motor 1 quart over full. Follow the oil modifications of limiters for heads, HV oil pump with a min of 60# pressure spring in housing. Make sure the oiling holes are clear of intake gaskets for better return to oil pan. Nice build up, good luck with car. Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cracked 428 Cylinder
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:30:17 PM »
cgmach1 CG if this motor is for 1/4 racing only, then fill the block to start from the bottom to  1" below the water pump holes in the block. I would also have the block checked for trueness, and mag for other cracks. Do you have any pictures of the problem you can post. If the sleeved cracked again in the same spot, there is a problem with the boring that was done. I like Jay have never had a problem with sleeves in a block if they where machined right. Is the crack vertical or horizontal?? If the block was bored for the sleeves, I would be very surprise that the bores didn't go into a water jacket or cause a thin spot in the jacket and leak coolant or water into the block. I would start with another machinist to check out the block. We can sit here and guestamate possible problem and solutions. If you can find another FE block cheap, you are still looking at some machine work to get this one ready for racing. If you fill the block with block Crete, you do 1 side at a time. Use a sander for vibrating the Crete to remove air bubbles. give 24 hours to setup then do other side. I have seen and had problems trying to do both sides within a couple of hours of each other. Hoping for pictures. Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: clutch fan or electric ?
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:39:15 AM »
I see no problem with using both if the charging system is up to it. Electric cooling fan needs about 20 amps to run. If you have a basic 60-70 amp charging system and do alot of idleing in a parade you may have a problem with the battery not getting recharged. You didn't say what the thermostat temp is? I run an all aluminum motor and have found on hot days there was not enough flow of the coolant though the radiator and my motor gets hot and run in the 215f range. You might want to try an Mopar thermostat in your motor. The hole opening is 1/2" larger for more flow. This may be all you need for the fix. You are going to need a relay and heavy wire in the 10 gauge range. You can add a sensor to turn on and off the electric fan when it hits a certain temp. There are kits for this in Jegs and Summit. If you have a local Pepboys or Autozone said for the correct FE one and check the size on the housing. I think it's 52-54 MM. Check Stant# 14138 and see if this one will fit? The collector on the bottom is removed  if this is the one. I have done this a couple of times but lost the # of the Stant. Big increase in flow and temps hold even on a 100+degree day in the 190's- 205 racing. Rick L Ps want more info call me at 732-254-3536 in the evening from 8:00pm to 10:00pm est time. Good luck with problem.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Aluminum rods on the street??
« on: August 28, 2012, 05:23:55 AM »
Jay B. Sorry the name is BME. Out side of the price, they can make custom ones of any size. Each rod is about $150.00 each. Bill said that the new rods are more stable in size and don't grow as much as the old ones. He has a couple of car with over 100K on the street. Guess the problem is finding a couple of guinea pigs for a test. The other issue is a real custom crankshaft. I guess the real question is there any real up side to running a lighter bottom end? Talked to 2 other companies and got the 200-300 rounds and recheck or chuck. I have not checked in the titanium side yet. I am sure them are going to be about 3-4,000.00.
Other side note, waiting for your PSE manifold. With this setup a rev kit is doable and still like the idea of running one and saving some spring pressure and adding more control of the lifter. If you can take a hydro lifter to 6,800 or 7,000 rpm and still have control, it,s got to be worth something too. Running high pressures my lifters are pumped up which is OK. My thought is are the rollers not bouncing off the back side of the ramp of the camshafts at high speeds. I know high spring pressure, better control. The new thing or repackaging is of more multi back cuts on valves for better flow in the middle range of the motor. I have a set of heads done without valves, Have thought about dropping the valve down from 3/8 diameter shafts to 5/16 or even 7MM. Another reason for taking some of the pressure off the valves when seating in the heads. Still kicking this around too. Trying to work a deal with a friend for some dyno time on this motor without going broke. Have a good day. Ps need a shop like yours. ;) :) Rick L.

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JayB. Jay how are the manifolds coming. Also would be interested in buying one. Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Aluminum rods on the street??
« on: August 26, 2012, 04:52:19 AM »
Jay B. Jay have you looked into BMR aluminum rods? Talked to tech. These rods are forged and not  milled. Also added differents thing to strengthen them. Was told that the graining of the rods is stronger than milled ones. Out side of pre oiling to start a motor and letting them warn up before beating on them, seams to be a possible winner over running 1.88 honda rods or going to 2.00" SBC rods with a 6.7 length. Tech did a load test of about 5,800 pounds at 6,500 rpms. Said you are well within the safety range of loading. Always looking for more info on yes or no for a motor. I was also looking at saving weight on the crank as well as the rods. Have a set of 6.7 BBC rods that are 720 grams + or - .5 gram. Well balance all to "0" either way. Any thoughts? Rick L.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Solid roller lifters worth it in a street car?
« on: December 31, 2011, 06:33:38 AM »
DrDano DANO Here's my thoughts and small amount of knowledge on this idea,
If you want to run solid lifters fine, Adjustments should only needed to be done once a year and then just a check with good parts.
like any motor built, matching camshaft,lifters, compression, carb, valve springs, exhaust, and fuel are needed toget max power.
RPM range and limit, IMP biggest issues of all. If you are going with a street motor than will get some 5,000 rpm and above to 6,000
shifting but spend 95% of the time cruising in the idle to 3,000 rpms, there is no reason for solids. Solids also take a beating at idle of a motor.
This is where the most damage is done. We call it valve lash, I call it hammering. The oil if in the proper locate on the camshaft lobe helps cushion
the valve lash. At idle you have low pressure and less splash to help lube the valve train. On some motors we used to but .010" grroove in the bores of the lifters to have a drip of oil hit the lobe on the camshaft before the roller of the lifter hit the same mark. This did help extend the life of the solids.
 I think that you also need to look at valve springs and how must pressure you really needs verses what the motor wants for a max rpm. I have been running beehive springs for 12 years. No failures of the valve springs with a .587-.607" lift hydro roller camshaft. At max lift my pressure is 362 and still will turn the motor to 6,200 max. I do get a float at 5,800 rpms but have stopped the major power drop by limiting the plunger in the lifters to be depressed only .015". When the motor is hot, I have about .003" of plunger depression, just enough to stop clicking of rocker and pushrods.  The lifters pump up and the power doesn't fall off as quick. I do run HVHP oil pump with 100# spring. The high oil pressure turn the hydro lifters into almost a solid setup without going solid. If you are looking for every last HP, not TORQUE go solid and don't let the car idle. A 30-40 oil pressure with a hot motor would also be a good idea. I know some guys are idling their motor with 10 psi and thats for the bottom end, I doubt there is any pressure but a dribble going to the rocker arms. I don't know about how good it is to swap a hydro lifter on to a solid lifter camshaft. I have heard stories both ways for good and bad. Due to some of the breakin and oil problems, can't be 90% sure on this topic. Rick L. P.s good luck with setup

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help from the clutch gurus about Mcleod setup
« on: December 04, 2011, 08:42:05 AM »
Hi Dano I see a bunch of issues with your setup, could we start at the beginning.
Was the bellhousing setup to center on the block and crankshaft? if not this will cause binding problems and damage
A clutch is a clutch, different styles are just that. I see a glazed flywheel and blown thrownout bearing We don't have pictures of the other
side of the pressure plate. Like to see what the forks look like. Same for the throwout bearing, looks chewed up where the fork is. Any chance of
of getting pictures of this and the fork end? Does the fork pivot smooth in the bellhousing or is it sliding forward? Is there a return spring to pull the
fork back to a stop? Some more pictures would be nice. Will try and walk you through this,
Lets start with pilot bushing or bearing, is it new and does it fit into the back of the crank and it is not loose ot wobbling, Be careful with hitting it into the crank shaft. Bass punch and soft hammer. A hard socket and damage the case of the bearing, chip the bronze bushing. I add a little grease to install either
Next bellhousing being centered. IMO this is a must. Takes time. You can get offset pins to center on the block. It took me 3 hrs to get a lakewood, .038" back on center. Alot of grinding, extra long pins and welding nuts to the bellhousing so is permanent centered on this  block unless a major failure happens.
Ok lets install the clutch. EVERYthing clean of oil, grease, even finger prints. I use gloves for this part. Get you centering dowl and install it in to the pilot bushing or bearing. This dowl should be new. It should fit snug in the hole. IF its loose or falls out, we have a problem and need to measure the inside of the bushing or bearing and the end tip of the input on the trans. Fix this problem.
Next install disc, again dowl should hold disc in place and centered. Pressure plate has some weight, install couple
of bolts on the bottom to help control the weight. Torque bolts to 10 pounds and keep crossing them until you reach the correct spec. Want to pull down the pressure plate evenly.  I use blue loc-tite to stop them from coming loose over time. Install the clutch fork and throw out bearing in the bell housing
If you can hook up the linkage for the throwout bearing.some system you can them check the air gap with the clutch engaged. you want between .035" and .055" on the air gap to get full release of the pressure plate on the disc. If not enough air gap, adjust fork rod, same applies for too much clearance. This will do damage to the pressure plate fingers. Once this is done, install the trans. The last thing is to check the travel of the clutch pedal and not overextend the pressure plate with too much pedal travel. Have found that a small braket or a block of wood works the easiest to limit travel. . One last measure ment, measure from the flat face of the trans to the tip of the trans input shaft. Them with the bellhousing on the motor measure to the bottom of the center of the crank. Need to make sure you are not pushing the crankshaft into the thrust bearing in the motor and do MAJOR damage to the motor. In some cases with a lakewood bell housing you need to cut .380" to prevent damage of the thrust bearing. I have seen this happen with a ford motor and GM input shaft trans. Good luck. This should walk you through the process. If you think you still have a problem , call me, I might be able to walk you throught this.732-254-3536 in the evening after 7pm EST time. Rick L.

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