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Also, I have foumd a rather large "X" casting mark driver side, close to the transmission flange.
In the lifter vallye D3TE ist cast in and beneath the oil filter flange A426
So a 73 casting design, cast on the 26th of April 1974.

The main bearing supports have an additional rib, compared to my other FE block.

Can you guys tell me what this X and the extra ribs are about?

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Found a block only 120 miles away from home.
Standard bore size 4.05".

My machine guy borrowed me his sonic tester, so I took it with me to check the block out. Measured all the cylinders, 12 spots each.
One spot, pointing toward the front of the block, is 0.08", all the other measurements turned out to be 0.14" to 0.24".
Am pleased with that.

Unfortunately, although the guy I bought it from, is the owner of an engine machine shop, too, he did not have a straight edge. So I could not check the alignment of the main bearings.

But, very pleasantly, although the block looks like oil changes weren't on the regular menu, all the water jackets look almost new. Mister no-oilchange must have at least used proper coolant.


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have you looked on ebay uk? there's often fe's for sale, there's a 390 in bits now for under £1000. oh, and a 360 block is the same as a 390 block just with a 352 crank'.
neil.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_from=R40&_nkw=ford+fe+v8&_sacat=6030&LH_ItemCondition=7000%7C3000

Thanks a lot for that tip. I did not. Will do now :-)
That engine you mentioned is already 40 thousands over. I need a standard bore 360/390, that I can have bored to match my brandnew pistons/rings.

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Sorry if this has been covered and I missed it, but if he used a sleeve to calibrate his sonic checker, that will not be accurate to check the bores.  A sleeve is a much different material than a cast iron block.  My sonic checker requires that you select the proper material for an accurate measurement; mine says to use the grey iron setting for cast iron blocks.  Check calibration on the rear block rail, as Ross suggests.  If the transducer is curved it won't matter, as long as the transducer is held at a 90 degree angle to the flat surface.

Thank you Jay. That is a good hint. I will tell him to do that.

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     if you want to do a good build the press in plugs all need removal also cam bearings---- a good media blast cleaning is a -must- properly done the block will look better and be as clean or cleaner than from the foundry scrape/pressure wash is not good enough---others good with camera/computer skills should be able to show a good clean block -esp. inside water jacket  john-old iron

Of course everything is removed. Those pictures where taken over a year ago, during disassembly.

Meanwhile, block is clean and no other part is attached to the naked block anymore.
Perfection is the goal. :-)

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BTW before I had anything done to the block I did a crack check that turned out ok.

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Long shot  but you dont have any close ups on deck surfacrs. Really inconsistany for what im thinking.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're aiming at. Could you elaborate for me?
You wanna see pics of the deck surfaces?
Or are you referring to closed (by rust) water passages on the deck surfaces?

Attached pics show the block right after I took the heads off


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Thanks guys, appreciate the input.

Machinist is an engine builder (I only call him "machinist" here and there because I build my engine myself, I pay him only to bore/hone, square the block and plane the heads, cut the valve seats), specialized only in US American V8 engines and he does it for decades. He and I get along well and I kinda trust his expertise.
However, I sure wish you guys are right, which makes me wanna double check the measurement for sure.
Currently, the block along with rotating assembly and heads are still at his place, 3h drive away.

I will pay him a visit as soon as I can and measure the block together with him. I will then triple check on the calibration of his device, putting your tips to use.


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I hope he didn't try to measure the cylinder walls with all that schmoo in the cooling jackets.  That would certainly lead to the very erratic readings shown.  Have them hot tank and clean the block first, then remeasure.  Use a piece of pipe with a known wall thickness, say 100 mm OD with a 3 mm wall to check the calibration on the sonic tester.

No, like a wrote a post above yours, he calibrated his device on an old sleeve.

The pictures you see above were taken by me 1 minute after I removed the freeze plugs.
Since then, I scratched and "chiseled" out all lose rust, durt and grime I could reach, blew it out with compressed air and washed the whole thing intensively with a pressure washer, holding it in the cooling jackets for minutes. The block is now, that he has it in his shop, as clean as it gets.

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If the cylinders were indeed that thin, I couldn`t imagine that engine wouldn`t have split all the cylinder walls in normal use. Or how they could all possibly so thin at 4.05" standard bore, unless maybe it was a boat engine that was using salt water cooling, and that ate away more of the cylinder walls from the backside. Many years ago, when I worked at an engine shop, we had a Chevy 11 style 4 cylinder engine (Think 194 6 cylinder missing 2 cylinders), that was a boat engine, that was getting coolant in the oil. When the water pump was removed, you see pinholes that went completely thru the cylinder walls.

My machinist and I are both evenly amazed about how this engine did not crack.
He calibrated his ultrasonic device twice (on an old sleeve he has laying around). It has a rounded probe.
I took it out of an unmolested, original, bone stock 1970 F100 that we bought in Oregon and had shipped to Germany. Casting numbers however, indicate it is a 1972 block (and heads). Untracable if this engine was maybe used in a boat. But I consider it unlikely. Engine was bone stock. Even the rod and main bearings had the FORD stamping in them.
The truck it came out of is in pretty good condition, bed has almost full original paint in it, but a hitch and trailer brake was installed, so maybe a lot of towing? Noone knows.

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Are there any American car clubs around there?  I had similar, reverse problems in the 90s working and restoring my '71 Westphalia camper bus.  The local VW club was helpful pointing me towards mechanics and sometimes "unofficial" junkyards of people that had a lot of parts.  This was before the Internet, though, so it might be less useful now, with everyone online.

Another technique is to look for ads of people selling rusted, wrecked cars or trucks, especially less desirable models.  They may be priced cheap enough that if they have a decent engine you can use, you can just throw the rest of the car away. :)

Pat

Yes, there is a healthy US-car scene here in Germany/Europe. But since I consider you guys here, especially with people of the like of Jay or Brent being active in this forum, a lot more knowledgable and experienced with your own stuff, I rather asked here first for opinions and advice.
I have contacts in Germany who are already on the lookout for a new old block for me over here, but it may take a while until something pops up.

Buyinf an entire car/truck just for the engine is not an option: Space issue and even cars to be parted out are more expensive over here. And: if the engine is still complete and mounted inside a vehicle, it is next to impossible to measure the block precisely to avoid buying another boat anchor.

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Take a vacation to the US and find a 390 block you can use. Build a wood box around it and ship back to Germany. (May be stuck in customs for awhile)
Probably wouldn’t cost much more than the asking price for that other block and you get a vacation as a bonus!

Not an unreasonable idea.
Against it speak:
I don't have a suitable amount of free days from work until maybe September.
I don't want to (can't) spent that kind of money. Neither for a used block in Germany nor for a vacation with block-purchase ;-)

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Thanks so far.

I am with you. .016 sounds radically thin, one should almost be able to push it in with a finger.
Engine builder sounded pretty bewildered, too, when he told me about it on the phone. He said it is by a very large margin the thinnest cylinder he has measured in his career.
He claimed he double checked the calibration of his device twice.
I attached the pictures he sent me. Measurements in the second picture are metric, in mm, of course.
He stopped measuring bank 1 in more detail after he discovered the ultra-thin spot.

I remember seeing and removing the thick rust in the coolant passage. I attached a few pictures from the day I disassembled the block.
Had I known earlier, that Ford blocks are cast particularly thin per se, my alarm bells would have rung right then and there, but since I'm new to Ford, I didn't know.

I take away so far:
  • Sleeving all 8 is a no go. That was also my personal feeling.
  • Triple check the sonic measurement, maybe I can get away with sleeving only #4

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FE Technical Forum / 0.016 cylinder wall thickness - Will sleeving save it?
« on: December 30, 2025, 05:06:22 AM »
Hello from Germany,

my machine shop measured the cylinder wall thicknesses of my 390 FE block before starting to work on it.
The thinnest spot he measured is 0,4mm (0.016"). Cylinder 4, thrust side, adjacent to the freeze plug. Other spots on cylinders 1, 2 and 3 are around 1,2mm (0.047").
Cylinders 5, 6, 7 & 8 all have thin spots at around 1,8mm (0.071").
He said this is due to core shift and heavy rust in the coolant passage.

The block is standard size 4.050.
Target bore is 4.080, already bought new pistons and rings for 4.080

Goal for the motor is:
Torquey truck engine, max rpm around 5500
  • 9,5 - 10,0 compression
  • New Forged Sealed Power pistons
  • New Molnar rods
  • New Edelbrock aluminum heads
  • New Roller cam from @blykins
  • New Roller rockers from @blykins
  • New Performer RPM intake
  • New Headers
  • Crank is 0.01 under and has been straightened and meticulously balanced with and without damper/flex plate


I have already bought ALL the parts, everything, spent well over 10.000$ in parts already (remember I have to have everything shipped to Germany and pay German VAT and import taxes) and budget is getting thin.
  • The block has all the oil mods (by myself)
  • The block has already received a line hone for the mains (@ a different machine shop)

My goal is perfection. I am 52 years old and intend to never open this engine ever again once it is finished. Do it once, do it right.
Boring/honing will be done with a boring plate.

Considering all this:
Does sleeving the block make sense?


My current machine shop (does only American V8s, nothing else) has never done sleeving and is sceptical.
He won't do it because he has never done it before.

Another machine shop, also specialized in American, V8s, specifically Ford, told me on the phone that doing 8 sleeves is absolutely no problem, has done it many times before, never an issue. Even on race engines for historic motorsport (Cobras, GT40s, Mustangs) well over 500HP, no issue.
He would put 8 sleeves in my block for reasonable money.
He said something about sleeve wall thickness of 5mm (about 0.197")
I asked him if it wouldn't be a problem that the sleeves will partially be in coolant and partially not: He said "No problem"
I asked him if the block will distort again during sleeving process, hence destroy the line honing of my main bearings: "No problem"

I am sceptical. What is your opinion?

Please keep in mind that finding a spare block in Germany/Europe is not so easy. Currently there is only 1 FE block in standard bore being offered, rough condition, the guy wants 1.600€ (about 1.900$ !!) and I don't know if this block is cracked, and how thick thy cylinder walls are.

Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks guys.

best regards
Matthias

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