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FE Technical Forum / Re: 492" FE Dyno Adventures
« on: August 21, 2023, 12:41:32 PM »
Glad you found the problems. Parts these days are so iffy. One of the biggest problems I had early on was getting a non-faulty thermostat of all things. I felt like I was going crazy, even spending $20 for an all brass Mr Gasket which failed on the second drive. Nothing surprises me anymore. 20 years ago, it was just off-brand remanufactured stuff like starters and alternators which would be bad out of the box. Now, it's everything :/

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Identify headers?
« on: August 16, 2023, 12:30:38 PM »
If they're for FE, it sure looks like shorty headers designed for use with a full size car (Galaxie) due to how straight the primaries flow out of the head. FE headers have to turn down hard right away to clear the shock towers in smaller engine bays like the Mustang, for example.

In specific, the pattern of the headers looks more like the 1965+ Galaxie shorty headers to me, though it's a bit tough to say from the photo angles. I think the 1964 and older have less vertical drop on the primaries on the passenger side, while the photos you supplied seem to better match the 65+ patterns which seem to show what looks like the header primaries dropping lower down the block.

Totally guesstimating, though. In any case, from my understanding, neither header pattern is interchangable. So 65+ will not fit 64 and earlier and 64 and earlier will not fit 65+.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 66 Galaxie Rack and Pinion Conversion
« on: August 05, 2023, 04:01:31 PM »
...As a '70 Mustang owner, knowing that Ford ran in the '69-'70 Trans-Am series with mainly OEM steering, I copied the few changes Bud Moore made onto my car. No P/S but a lightened front end (all aluminum save the block) makes for a wicked, sharp cornering track ready car. I'll also note Rory's post where folks grafting Mustang II lightweight suspension and steering components to big heavy cars is highly suspect. R&P's made for lightweight cars as well are also questionable when used on big cars, let alone if one tries heavy and repeatable cornering.

The only reason I think rack and pinion is worth considering is if a person does a lot of highway/freeway driving, which I do. My car came with factory power steering, but everything was totally shot so rack and pinion seemed like a reasonable upgrade. I'd go with a different vendor if I had to do it again. Maybe TCS. I can say the Unisteer system drives really nice and since I eventually had to go to Hydroboost and the factory Ford pump isn't a great choice for Hydroboost, I guess it worked out.

Oh, and in regard to my patience... well, I can't exactly remember how many wrenches were slung or curse words screamed, but it was probably more than one. You gotta do what you gotta do. Doesn't matter how mad a guy is while doing it, haha.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 66 Galaxie Rack and Pinion Conversion
« on: August 05, 2023, 03:55:06 PM »
randomologist, how was the turning circle with the rack conversion? I have no interest in a rack conversion for my 59, although Unisteer does offer one, but whenever I asked guys that have installed various rack & pinion conversions in a Mustang, Fairlane, or full sized Ford, they all said that the turning circle was greatly reduced, so a U turn, or even a sharp switchback, could not be done without stopping, and backing up, to complete the turn. I have also heard that in most cases, they had to use the modern looking GM PS pump, and aftermarket brackets, which in my opinion, look out of place in an older car, unless you actually want the aftermarket look. As for the first rack failing, my understanding is that many of these aftermarket rack kits use a rack originally designed for a lightweight FWD GM car, which makes me wonder if the rack is just too "light duty" for a much heavier vehicle with a heavy engine, and likely wider tires. Kinda like when I see a 4500 pound car or truck, with Mustang 11 front suspension, that was designed for a much lighter vehicle with tiny 13" tires.

These cars didn't have a super tight turning radius to begin with at 37' 8", but I haven't noticed a huge change. I need to get out and measure it for a video on my youtube anyway, but I'd be surprised if it was much wider now. The car does okay in parking lots for me and I can make U-turns from the inside lane to a roads with 2 lanes going the opposite direction without steering using the throttle, but it is tight.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 66 Galaxie Rack and Pinion Conversion
« on: August 04, 2023, 10:04:59 AM »
I have a Unisteer power rack and pinion conversion on my 69 Mustang with an FE. My experience has been mixed. Every single component in their system failed pretty quickly or were poorly designed for my application. They did replace my rack with a brand new one after the original rack failed internally after about 10k miles, but it took several months and a BBB complaint to get them to honor it. The rack replacement took place during a period of time Unisteer was bought out by Maval Manufacturing. I never got the sense they were bad people; just that they were dramatically behind schedule/workload and weren't very honest about turn around times, etc.

*The P/S pump bracket design was incompatible with some of the other mods I had and it didn't allow for much (any) real belt adjustment.
*The P/S pump periodically leaked from day 1 due to cheap/improper o-rings in the reservoir
*The P/S pump output position needed to be moved so it could be used with A/C
*The P/S high pressure hose failed almost immediately.
*Stock rag joint needed to be cut.
*The kit was missing a spacer for the stock steering shaft. I fabricated one.
*Outer tie rod shafts needed to be cut to length and there was just barely enough thread left for alignment. The rack was universal fit, despite the kit being specifically for my Mustang. Since the Galaxie is wider, this may be less of an issue.
*The bracket didn't provide adequate access to the alignment bolts. Several shops complained it was almost impossible.
*Geometry of stock steering shaft and rack mounting location was not correct and was not adjustable (this was corrected when I altered the bracket)
*K-member/mounting bracket was not fabricated properly and was bowed and hooked from the factory. Installing it the first time was a real nightmare. I didn't notice it wasn't bent exactly square from the factory until the 2nd time I installed. I needed to bend it square, after which, it installed pretty easy.
*Oil pan clearance between the inner boots and the bottom of the pan was a problem (My '63 427 has a slightly thicker pan depth at the back of the block than the super thin 390/428 FE pans used with the 67-70 Mustang from the factory, but I'm not sure the factory FEs would have fit)
*As noted, I needed to drop the rack 3/4" to clear the oil pan, which necessitated having additional tabs welded to the bottom of the non-adjustable bracket and drilling new bolt holes at precision locations. The lower bracket made me a little uncomfortable with ground clearance.

My original rack broke internally, I was told. Supposedly, it was a design flaw and my rack was replaced with a newer design. The newer design was better for the Mustang, but the new port locations required me to remake all new power steering lines. Side note, anything other than the outer tie rod ends is considered non-serviceable for my rack.

If there is one modification on my car I desperately wish I could go back in time and undo/redo with a different supplier, it's my Unisteer conversion. That said, they DID honor their warranty and the new rack has been working without an issue for the last 5 years and about 10k miles.


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Member Projects / Re: 1969 Mustang Fastback 427FE Daily Driver
« on: August 01, 2023, 11:40:28 AM »
It seems like folks who haven't owned and driven the 427s on the street think they're unstreetable monsters. I noticed the big name car magazines talk about the 427 like it's a top fuel dragster engine with a racing idle between 1500 and 2500rpm or something so it's a lot of fun to have people ride along with me or talk to people while I'm getting groceries at the grocery store or picking up topsoil and fertilizer at the home improvement store. It's like I'm driving a flying saucer...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hot Temp Running
« on: July 19, 2023, 01:29:33 PM »
It sounds like a straightforward radiator issue to me.

1. Thermostat - Probably not the issue. Slow speeds are the worst scenario for thermostats because the engine is working a bit, but no more air is flowing through the radiator than when stopped (fan still controlling air flow)
2. Fan - Probably not the issue. With the engine running hot on the freeway, but not at 30mph, you can pretty much eliminate the fan. If the fan was installed backwards, the fan would already be struggling against the natural airflow at 30mph.
3. Water pump - Probably not the issue. Water pumps generally show issues at all speeds, but your setup performs much better at 30mph.
4. Radiator - Radiators are most susceptible to problems at higher speeds, but if plugged, they can obviously cause issues at any speed. A combination of a fan pulling and airflow through the radiator and under the hood from traveling while the engine isn't working too hard might give you that "sweet spot" where the car is in best case scenario mode.

My vote is the radiator is just insufficient for the 483. Even if the copper/brass radiator was somewhat improved during the re-core, the 483 might just be too much for it.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Custom length pushrods
« on: July 10, 2023, 02:55:20 PM »
I have the factory H heads on my '63 427 and I needed cup/ball design. I went with Smith Brothers for custom pushrods. Not sure about their timing now, but I ordered mine on 5/16 and got them on 6/16. They were quoting about 3 weeks out at the time of order, but it wound up about 4-1/2 weeks. A little longer than quoted, but I've learned to expect turn around times are a best case scenario on special order stuff.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: INFO wanted on C7AE-E rods
« on: June 28, 2023, 01:01:45 PM »
I searched around a bit and found nothing. A "C6AE-E" Lemans rods used in the SCJ and C7AE-B. It wouldn't surprise me if Ford needed to make another run of the Lemans rods and just cast them as C7AE-E. Supposedly, there are a bunch of different rod casting numbers which have technically been reported in the CJs, and Ford is certainly known for tons of little changes or additional casting runs. Are the rods the standard CJ style or the heavier Lemans style?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 62-64 Hydraulic clutch kit
« on: June 28, 2023, 12:55:30 PM »
This is because the clutch fingers are on a pivot.  As you push the fingers in towards the front of the engine, the contact surface of the pressure plate moves back, towards the rear of the car.  So, if the clutch disc is wearing, the contact surface of the pressure plate moves towards the front of the engine, with the clutch fingers moving back towards the rear of the car.  So if your throwout bearing position is fixed, this decreases the clearance between the fingers and the throwout bearing.

It makes sense in multiple ways. From a logic standpoint and the way the self adjuster on my throwout bearing is designed. Thanks!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 427 pistons
« on: June 27, 2023, 02:15:06 PM »
If you're truly going with a 4.250" bore (4.233 stock + 0.017 over), you should be able to find multiple manufacturers. I think Icon makes some off the shelfers around there. I can't make a comment on comparing quality.

I went with custom Diamond pistons in my setup.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 62-64 Hydraulic clutch kit
« on: June 27, 2023, 02:03:24 PM »
Make sure you maintain clearance between the bearing and pressure plate fingers. As the disc wears this clearance goes away. You will burn the
clutch quickly when this happens. Steve

Why would the clutch wear cause the pressure plate fingers to shift back towards the transmission? Would the pressure plate not shift closer to the flywheel creating a larger gap between the fingers and the throw out bearing? My Tilton 6000 series hydraulic throw out bearing in my setup is designed to self adjust over time.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Sepentine belt setup
« on: June 27, 2023, 01:53:50 PM »
I have a CVF racing full serpentine conversion with a G3 alternator, Vintage Air Gen IV & Unisteer power rack and pinion setup on my 69 Mustang with a 1963 427 FE and there were some issues related to how everything played together. Originally, I tried to piece a custom kit together using my existing brackets and just serpentine pulleys, but I wound up with essentially the full conversion. I had to ditch the Unisteer GM Type2 power steering pump and bracket Unisteer provided (they were trash anyway), and I had to ditch the Vintage Air A/C bracket, too.

All in all, I'm happy with the setup. A bit of a pain when I have to pull things apart, but tensioning is pretty quick and easy, I never have any dreaded belt squeal and it looks nice.

The pre-1964 FE's with generators have water pumps which are incompatible with the system. The generator bracket locating pin needs to be a bolt hole for the alternator bracket.
The serpentine setup had less clearance to the radiator.
The serpentine setup was wider than the stock bracket and pulley setup which nearly runs into my battery box and required me relocating my aftermarket coolant overflow reservoir.
The serpentine setup required some custom spacers (grind some down/add washers) to get everything to align correctly. Serpentine alignment is far less forgiving than V-belts.


I did a video on my experiences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl0LWuepxkE

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Lead substiute
« on: June 27, 2023, 01:33:45 PM »
I've used lead substitute in my engine for 15,000 miles. I have not noticed any sticky buildup and I had a head off the engine last year. I didn't see anything amiss.

As far as whether or not you need to use it, probably not.

Lead was originally added to fuel as an anti-knock compound; however, the soft lead also helped non-hardened valve seats by providing cushion to the valves when seating during operation and preventing micro-welding under high heat. Micro-welding is the theory behind "valve seat regression" where the valve comes into contact with the seat under high pressure and high heat which forms a very tiny "weld" bond. The valve is then opened and a tiny piece of metal is broken away from the head, sticking instead to the valve.

Valve seats naturally work harden through heat cycles. A NOS or super low mileage cylinder head without hardened valve seats would be far more likely to have an issue with micro-welding on the exhaust valves than an original engine which has seen hundreds or thousands of heat cycles. Most people seem to have no issues with micro-welding. The quality of the head casting material, the number of duty cycles, and how much heat the engine generates will determine whether or not a lead substitute is actually necessary.

For me, my 427 is a bit of a family heirloom. It's basically a stock 1963 "R" code. I daily drive it for extended periods on the freeway under low load where the power valves aren't open in the carbs so the engine is running leaner there. That means more heat on an engine with a cam that naturally generates a like a volcano. The engine was completely gone through and rebuilt including the heads so the seat material wasn't work hardened anymore. It now has 15,000 miles on it and it's probably work hardened, but considering how rare and important the engine is to me, how much heat the engine generates naturally and the way I drive it, which further increases the heat, I've decided to run lead substitute just in case. I use one bottle per tank whenever I fill up (about 16 gallons per fill up). I never add any extra. I just keep a couple bottles in the trunk so I can toss it in at each fill up. I could see any fuel additive becoming an issue if it was used too heavily.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Top Oiler 427 FE Ate a Pushrod Cup
« on: June 20, 2023, 12:27:27 AM »
Is that Pushrod cup the correct size ?
Might just be the pic and shadows but it looks large for that adjuster ball end

It's the right diameter (3/8"), but the cups were manufactured pretty deep. About .165 where the old pushrods were about .140. I took the cups down to about .145 and that got me very close. I'll be adding some washers next and see what that does. I don't mind doing a little grinding here and there so long as I don't pop through a casting, but if a washer gets the job done, even better. I should have been a little more careful with ordering, but honestly, even the old pushrods which were way too short were still pretty close to clearance issues.

As always, I appreciate the help and thoughts!

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