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FE Technical Forum / Re: Will be offering a new product for FE's...
« on: November 24, 2022, 11:46:54 AM »
sounds like a nice billet cam core.... lol
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Since flat plane cranks can't use the same firing order as a cross plane crank, that led me to having to order a custom camshaft for the engine. I'm not talking about a regular custom grind, I'm talking about a *custom* camshaft. There are a couple of firing orders that I could use, but the one that made most sense to me is the one that Ferrari uses.....so I ordered it with that firing order.
Onward and upward...
My experience with Jones mechanical lifter camshaft was that the engine would pull cleanly to 6600 rpm, and crash. It was supposedly designed to pull to 7200 rpm for the EMC competition build. I had 1.94/1.56 light weight 5/16" valve stems, titanium retainers, LS beehive springs, Smith Brother's chromoly push rods, Trend Lifters, and Harland Sharp 1.6 roller rocker shaft mounted rocker arms. I had three sets of heads ported, with all the light weight parts mentioned for each of them, and we tested 5 different sets of valve springs all with the same results that the engine would "pop" at 6600 rpm and nose dive. I upped the seat pressure from 135# to 167# keeping the over the nose at a safe pressure of 430#. After upping the seat pressure to 167#, the engine would pull to 6900 rpm and crash. We entered the engine in that configuration and was able to make three successful pulls to 7100 rpm with the "pop" and roll over on the top end. After the EMC, back at the shop, we installed a new Isky camshaft that was ordered but did not make it in time for dyno testing before the competition, and the engine responded with clean pulls to 7400 rpm without a single "pop" and picked up 12 horsepower. Everything was just exactly as it was for the EMC except the camshaft. Same Trend Lifters, everything. We(Ted Eaton and I) did a degree wheel check of every lobe on the Jones camshaft and if you advanced or retarded it any from straight up, the lobes were all over the place with none of them falling into line with the cam card. #1 was only correct at straight up, all the other cylinders were off as much as 8*+/-.
When I questioned Mike about the results, he asked me a bunch of questions about the build, and then the lifter angle for the Y. He ASSUMED the camshaft lobes were the same as the SBC, and they are not. There is 3* difference between the lifter bore angles in the Y from the SBC. He corrected his information, cut me two new camshafts, and I am going to test one of them in the next few days. When I degreed it, I went ahead and checked #6 against #1, and it was spot on, correct. We shall see. Joe-JDC
Looks cool. I'd agree that the data is suspect. Torque at 1.4+ per cubic inch is really high but achievable in a very well refined build. But couple that number with the obvious instability at high RPM, and what you were hearing on dyno - and I would be questioning things. Once the engine goes unstable, all the data and A/F ratio stuff goes out the proverbial window.
I have successfully run solid roller FE engines past 7500 RPM with 230ish seat and just over 600 open, with cam lifts in the low/middle .700s. But Jones stuff has a reputation for being pretty aggressive and probably needs more spring than that. Those .080 wall pushrods are a definite potential issue. I had a solid roller build that ran customer supplied pushrods which turned out to measure .047 (!) and - after bending a couple - it gained 40ish HP with a set of .135 wall ones.
Look Like Some Nice Pieces. Is It The Photo Playing Tricks On My eyes, Or Are These Set Up With Offset Intake rockers to move the pushrods away fron the intake ports in the intake manifold? I know they make them, but wondering if you ordered them like this or is this how they usually build them?