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FE Technical Forum / Re: MR and Tunnelport Castings - Update!
« on: August 22, 2024, 08:09:14 PM »
"curious about bolt holes, like exhaust etc.  Helicoiled?"

All tapped holes (except valve cover bolt holes and sparkplugs) will have thread inserts (not helicoils).

"Do you have timeline of when you think these will be released for sale"

Assuming we don't find issues with the "first articles", shipping could begin as early as late November.  We may start taking orders once we have approved the first articles and released production at the foundry.  You can expect regular updates.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Head Development - MR and Tunnelport
« on: October 08, 2023, 05:05:40 PM »
Thank you for all of the kind words!  I will update as progress continues.

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FE Technical Forum / FE Head Development - MR and Tunnelport
« on: October 05, 2023, 06:42:39 PM »
For quite a while now we have been working on both medium riser and tunnelport modern casting designs. I don’t post on here very often at all and haven’t posted or published any updates on this project in a long time, but progress has continued despite several setbacks and distractions. Recently we have had some wins and I’d like to share them with everyone.

Our medium riser port design has been complete for over a year. The prototype MR head started as an Edelbrock Pro-Port casting. During porting material was actually added in the port to make it flow correctly, which meant this definitely couldn't be made as a pro-port CNC head, it would have to be a new casting. My brother, Dave Bamber, is responsible for all the flow work on this port design. Here is an idea of how the MR head flows and what it looks like:


The goal of this project has always been to develop ports for both MR and TP heads and cast each of them from the same pattern. So, once the MR was developed, we shifted attention to tunnelport design.

The TP development started by optimizing a factory cast iron head so we could digitize and apply it to the computer model. Hours and hours were spent on the flow bench. Some real nice flow numbers were achieved on the intake ports. The port was digitized and copied on all other cylinders. We had fully intended on dyno testing with this intake port design but as you’ll see in the pictures, when CNC’d, one of the eight intake ports found a water jacket (core shift in the head).
 


After that letdown, the port shape was brought into the computer model and it was tweaked to reduce some of the unnecessary stock port volume and to potentially gain flow. Rather than move straight into casting it was decided to 3D print the ports and combustion chamber for proof of concept and further flow development. In one of the photos below, there is a gold intake port mock-up which allowed us to flow test with the pushrod tube interfering in the port. Again, my brother Dave worked with this port shape on the flow bench and added and subtracted material where necessary. As you can see from the below flow data, it worked.
 



On each of the MR and TP heads we had common development constraints, which in some cases held us back from gaining performance, but we thought were important to the design:
•   Stock Medium Riser and Tunnel Port intake manifolds (direct bolt up with no port matching required)
•   Stock exhaust port locations (slightly raised yet consistent with typical aftermarket FE performance heads and compatible with over-the-counter headers/flanges).
•   Overall factory appearance when the engine is fully assembled.
•   OEM style rocker assemblies
•   Stock valve covers
•   MR head to work with bore sizes as small as 4.08” (.030” over 390)
•   TP head to work with bore sizes as small as 4.16” (.030” over 428)

Here are screenshots of some of the computer modeling that has been done on the heads.



Patterns and molds are finally progressing and we can now see light at the end of the tunnel. When these are available, they will be cast/machined by me (Bamber Engineering) and sold through Brunson Performance. We will post more technical info/graphs/test data on their website soon.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Paging Dave Bamber......
« on: December 18, 2021, 11:13:43 AM »
What's the intake port volume on the MR head?

Port volume is a metric we don’t use – we use the cross-section area of the port instead.  The cross-sectional area of our port is very similar (maybe slightly bigger) than the TFS – so our port velocity is about the same or possibly higher than the TFS.  We like high velocity ports.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Paging Dave Bamber......
« on: December 18, 2021, 11:09:55 AM »
Any more details on the medium rise heads, factory original, updated?

They are cast aluminum heads based upon the medium risers.  Stock medium riser manifolds fit, but port matching will be recommended on the intake manifold.  Stock rocker arm type set-up will fit – a small cup offset will be needed on intake rockers.  Stock valve covers fit as well.

The combustion chamber and both ports have been greatly improved.  We want to include the smaller bore engine market with these – as I mentioned above, the heads are optimized for a 4.130” (and larger) bore, but the valves fit with comfortable clearance on a 4.080” bore (.030” over 390) engine.

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FE Technical Forum / Cylinder Head Update: Paging Dave Bamber......
« on: December 17, 2021, 11:27:16 AM »
So, the 12th of never...

Almost everything seems to fit in "the 12th of never" category these days - but we are doing our best to be an exception.  This program is a priority for our business, and we are spending $$ and time to make it happen.  We aren't stuck.

Both "forks" of this development are only awaiting the arrival of parts.  For items like the TFS single plane 4v manifold which seems to be a "12th of never" item, we have developed a plan "B". 

Our target for medium riser head availability is the May 2022 timeframe, and are hoping the tunnel port heads will be available only a few months later.  In this supply chain climate, it is impossible to promise timelines but we will do our best.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Paging Dave Bamber......
« on: December 16, 2021, 07:29:41 PM »
Dave isn't a participant on any forums, so I'll update.

We have developed tunnel port intake modification prototypes for the pushrod areas.  With a viable prototype in hand, we scheduled a dyno session to run baseline tests with a stock tunnel port head/intake combination and the tunnel port intake with our prototype modifications.  Unfortunately, the tunnel port test engine had serious unrelated issues.  We are now in the process of getting a good engine to use for intake modification testing.

In parallel, we have been using a medium riser head for combustion chamber and exhaust port development which we will apply to the tunnel port heads.  We are happy with our progress.  Our medium riser head is being developed and flowed on a 4.130” bore. The flow numbers (intake and exhaust) are significantly better than a TFS tested on a 4.350” bore and all other medium riser heads that we have seen advertised data on or have on the shelf to compare.   We are in the process of building a 462 CID (428 stroker) engine to test the medium riser heads, but among other things, we are waiting for a single plane, 4V TFS intake for testing.  If anyone knows of a TFS single plane 4V intake manifold we could buy or borrow for this testing, please let me know. 

If the dyno results for the medium riser heads meet our expectations, we will make them available.

Once we have tested and are satisfied with intake manifold modifications, the exhaust port and the combustion chamber development, we will continue tunnel port head design by developing a compatible intake port.  Casting development will start after the exhaust port design is finalized.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: June 25, 2021, 07:29:34 PM »
Wondering if these Alum TP heads have been produced as of yet or an idea of when they might be available ?  You can put me down for 4 sets of heads, 2 stock version and 2 max effort versions.

We are targeting the fall time for availability.  At this point, we can't be specific - foundries are backed up, and difficult to predict.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: February 18, 2021, 07:43:50 AM »
I have read through this a couple of times and I hope I didn't miss this. Will you be offering intake manifolds for your heads? I know with some searching tunnel port intakes can be found but having one or two choices ( my vote is for the single plane dual four C7OE-9424-A) would make this an easier for guys to make the purchase, in my opinion. I would also wonder if Jays intake adapter would open up some choices for other "tops" too??

We will develop and offer manifolds after the heads release.  The first version will likely be a single plane 2x4. 

I know Ford made at least 4 different manifolds for the tunnel port - 2x4 single plane, 2x4 dual plane, single plane 1x4 with 4150 flange, and single plane 1x4 for a dominator.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: February 01, 2021, 09:57:20 AM »
I think most (majority) would like to see these heads work on a completely stock 427 myself included.
Once you start changing the factory specifications to "custom" > have to mill this, drill that, buy this part, different valve cover angle > to run them interest will drop off.
Great someone is looking in making a set though!

All of our solutions will provide exactly what you describe - a bolt-on package which will work with a stock 427 block, tunnel port intake manifold, stock exhaust (in the stock location). and stock valve covers (in the stock location).  As we get closer to release, we will post details in the Vendor Classifieds, but for clarity now here is the summary:

We will offer two tunnel port head packages:

Maximum Performance – this version will have canted and angled valves, and use individual shaft mounted rocker arms. This version will require modifications inside the ports of the intake manifold.  We will offer the recommended manifold modifications as a service, and provide instructions for those who wish to make their own intake manifold modifications.  We expect this version to easily flow more than 400 CFM.

The Maximum Performance version will be offered in a package which contains all custom items needed to assemble the engine - fully cleaned and assembled heads, rocker arms, rocker stands, intake gasket, and ARP fasteners.  No searching required.

Original Fit -  this version will use the factory rocker arms, and doesn't require the manifold modifications.  The Original Fit version is for people who are more concerned about preserving "original" than maximum performance.  The performance of this version will be better than the factory tunnel port heads, but will not be as high as the Maximum Performance version.

I'll chime in about FE VC's because that's what I specialize in in my collection.
Not interested in TP heads since my cars are/will be street driven.
To me as long as a stock VC can be mounted on a Head/intake combo with some sort of a stepped adapter (even thought it may be further away from the block). I wouldn't mind the minor difference in appearance.
Just my point of view (POV).
Richard >>> FERoadster

You would be happy with these heads in a street driven vehicle.  The intake port will be sized correctly for the valve size (the factory intake ports are WAY too big), and the exhaust flow will be the correct proportion to the intake flow.


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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil Pump Dyno
« on: January 30, 2021, 08:24:55 AM »
Forgot to mention - The M-57 HV pump uses 2.92 HP at 7,500 rpm.  The parasitic torque is fairly linear, rising only slightly as rpm goes up.  It's a little over 2 ft-lb at the crank.

Note that this parasitic loss includes the crossed gears that drive the pump.  They're pretty inefficient, but that is how it's done in our FE's.

Nice work!  When you reference RPM, are you referring to pump RPM or crankshaft RPM?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: January 24, 2021, 12:10:21 PM »
The window of tolerance for moving the valve cover rails or altering the angle of the valve cover may be much smaller than first appearances. Keep in mind that your target public will include a high percentage of unit-body design installs who's purchase will be influenced by mandatory relocation of master cylinders to accommodate interference with valve cover rail modifications.

Excellent point.  I added "stock valve cover location" to my constraints for the project.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: January 23, 2021, 10:57:44 AM »
Have you considered raising the port and extending the face of the head like Kasse did with the SR71?
Those seem exceptional for a CJ style head.

We will consider this tactic; we've used it before, too.  The feasibility of using this tactic on the FE, however, is affected by the fact the upper valve cover rail is part of the intake manifold.  Since we want to allow the use of stock valve covers, moving the upper valve cover rail up, requires raising the lower rail, too.  The exhaust rockers may not be very happy about that idea.  These re-designs are almost always an exercise in optimizing the compromises, so we will have to work through all of these choices.

Would it be possible to machine the pushrod tube as part of the port as opposed to placing a tube in after?  There would be a lot of benefits doing it that way.

Compatibility with existing intake manifolds is one of our design criteria - but that doesn't mean an unmodified tunnel port manifold will provide optimum performance.  It only means it will fit and function.  I believe your question applies to the intake manifolds we will produce.  If so, the best manufacturing technique will heavily depend on the characteristics of the optimized intake manifold runner design.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: January 22, 2021, 10:06:45 AM »

You were 3D printing heads?

OOPs.  I meant prototype heads, but that isn't what the words say.  I was replying to Joey120373's comment about our prototype heads.  We almost always do flow/chamber development in a prototype head before finalizing the design.  If we are lucky, we get it done with only one version of the prototype head.  Not always, though.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Gauging Interest - Tunnelport Heads
« on: January 22, 2021, 08:14:05 AM »
I'm not saying anything, to throw water on anybody's ideas. I just wanted to comment, on stuff from the late 60's thru mid 70's........

No worries here – your experience is a great example of why we chose the tunnel port head to improve.  We believe the Tunnel Port has tremendous untapped potential, and our goal is to fully tap that potential.

My question to jbamber is, what valve head sizes will be run in the canted vs a inline head.

We won’t know the valve sizes until we are finished developing the flow.   Given the tremendous space constraint of the stock valve cover, the valve angle and cant will be very limited.  I doubt the sizes will be significantly different than are commonly used for the “in-line” FE heads.  Dave is REALLY good with exhaust flow, so you will probably notice a bit bigger exhaust/intake valve size difference than is typical.

It would have been a lot easier for us to repurpose the 385 Boss Hemi design to fit the FE – which would have significantly larger valves, and more performance potential.  However, we felt the FE community would rather have the maximum performance possible while using stock valve covers and manifolds – as close to a “factory” look as possible.

Weather or not you go ahead with it....please post more pics of your development units, that thing is just plain cool!


Thank you for the kind words!  Not all of our prototype heads turn out as cool as the BBF Boss head did.  Until recently, we 3d printed them.  Dave prefers to work with aluminum, and the time I had to spend altering the model so it was conducive for 3d printing provided no further benefit.  By doing them from aluminum, my programming time is leveraged when we machine the production heads.

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