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FE Technical Forum / Re: Dipstick not measuring - Canton pan and tray
« on: March 23, 2020, 03:23:11 PM »
Really? 2 pages on oil level and how to install a dipstick tube?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 02, 2020, 04:06:21 PM »
Swapped the 4-hole for an open spacer and all is well.

Dead steady AFR gauge from the start and all 8 header tubes equally heating, instantly.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 02, 2020, 03:06:21 PM »
I guess all idling issues are not solved with these electronic carbs.
Electronic or old school carbs seem to require some tuning.

Anyhow - fiddling with cars is half of the fun :)

Cheers

I would not consider my situation normal and measure all Sniper installations by this. I could have left the direct linkage alone and it would be fine if this were a hot rod. My problem is this is a 390 in a daily driver F100 I built for my daughter.

The reality is, after it’s warmed up for 3 minutes or so, everything is perfect. In warmer months, it’s a non-issue. My problem is, I want it perfect all the time.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 02, 2020, 03:03:01 PM »

I think setting the linkage up to slow the throttle and running all for barrels 1:1 with the blades “more” closed for higher IAC at idle would help.
I have not flipped the Holley TBI over but I think the MAP sensor only reads 1 pair of throttle bores. If so a four hole spacer of any kind would effect performance.

The Holley IAC procedure is a bit different, but I have it dialed nicely and I’ve never had any issues like you describe. My comment on tip-in was more about how much power came on quickly because of all four barrels at 1:1 and a linear , short throw. Lots of guys are adding an extension to the throttle arm, but that fix results in longer pedal movement. That means either an awkward pedal start location or not accessing full throttle.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 02, 2020, 10:48:47 AM »
Did you check all the wires with an ohmmeter?

I really doubt it’s a dual plane issue, if you think it is, slap a 1 inch open spacer under it and see what it does

I think vacuum leak or dead wires

Swapped wires...same issue. New plugs, cap and rotor.

I believe the issue is the progressive linkage on the Sniper. This is a change from stock to alleviate the abrupt tip-in the Sniper has because all four throttle blades roll in together. I have modified the software and added a progressive link that starts activating the rear blades at about 40% of the fronts, to act more like a 4-barrel (and keep my daughter from unexpectedly lighting up the tires). This change and link is available from Holley, but “not advised”. Well, the damn thing is way too touchy with all four barrels opening together.

Anyway, the rear barrels have no fuel being introduced at idle now. I currently have a 4 hole, 1 inch spacer that may be making it worse. The Sniper injects fuel above the blades, so it bounces off the blades, pools momentarily, and then gets sucked in.

I think I have a lot of pooling and condensing going on in the plenum at cold start. 3 minutes later and all is good.

I’m going to try an open 1” spacer instead of the 4 hole. The problem is, the Sniper is known to have an annoying whistle related to the IAC in this configuration. If the cold fuel distribution is better but I get the whistle, I’ll add a 1/8” steel 4 hole plate between the spacer and the throttle body.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 01, 2020, 02:59:09 PM »
Do you know someone with a 735 Holley carb you could throw on?

I have a 600 Holley from my GT motor, but I’m not going there. I know what you’re thinking, but the fuel supply would have to be rigged and I have the EFI controlling my timing.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 01, 2020, 01:45:03 PM »
Certainly sounds like an EFI issue.
I have never liked the electronic carb type efi.
I prefer individual injectors for each cylinder.

I am sure you will figure this out. Have you sent a message to Holley?
I’m a member on their forums...I posted over there, yes. I’m concerned that the progressive linkage and programming I have added may be the issue (even though offered by Holley). The rear two injectors do not flow during idle...at all.

I’m also using a a 4 hole carb insulator that could be contributing, as opposed to an open spacer. I don’t know.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...NO, and another update
« on: February 01, 2020, 12:07:40 PM »
Compression is good...which is another lesson to me that assuming isn’t the same as verifying.
Spark is good.
Rear cylinders still not firing when cold. Temp gun confirms, directly at each header pipe at the flange.

Started and shut down before the rear cylinders started firing (which they do, once things start warming up). Pulled the plugs and rear cylinders are dry and very light, as compared to the front cylinders.

So, my new theory is this Police Interceptor intake is not playing nice with the Holley Sniper. Sniper is only delivering fuel to the front bores at idle.

No vacuum leaks that I can tell, but my next move will be to pull and plug the brake booster...that’s at the rear center of the throttle body. I’ve got no other indicators that the booster is an issue, but I’m done assuming.

Anyone else experience this scenario with the PI, or any other dual plane?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...new info
« on: January 17, 2020, 01:13:07 PM »
Yes, I have a set of leak-down gauges. Not a bad idea to confirm before I just start resetting the lash.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...new info
« on: January 17, 2020, 09:28:30 AM »
I think my t-stat is stuck open.my 428 dont start warming up for at least 15-20 minutes.if i take right off after 1 or 2 minutes of warmup it sounds awful for a mile or two,super cold natured.but when the temp gets up to 150 and above,it gets crisp and peppy and ready for anything till i shut her down

That is generally a cold start issue related to fuel delivery. In my case, I’m running EFI and I’m confident in the tune. There is no question that I have exhaust valves that aren’t closing completely when cold. I’ll get into it this weekend.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?...new info
« on: January 15, 2020, 08:30:21 AM »
This morning I checked the temperature of the header pipes just after starting the motor.

Cylinders 3,4,7,8 are running cold at initial start. After warming for 2 minutes, all fine.

For the record, it’s a dual plane.

I’ll report once I get the covers off, but it looks like I’ll be re-setting all of them.

I find it strange that I’m not getting any popping through the carb, if it was a procedural thing.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Who is the "authority" on C6s?
« on: January 14, 2020, 07:44:34 PM »
I can’t recommend TCI. I bought a “street rodder” C6 package from them and it has leaked from day 1...and not just a little

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?
« on: January 14, 2020, 08:50:43 AM »
Are you sure you're not getting icing on or in the carb?.....

No carb on this one!  ;)

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?
« on: January 14, 2020, 08:48:51 AM »
If you went 1 full turn down on the adjustment why dont you back them off a quarter turn. 3/4 turn should be plenty.

I hear you. .050” should have put them in the middle of the plunger travel, but I obviously F’d up at least one. And it runs so well once at temp, I’m convincing myself I either stopped for a beer and added another turn to one or just got way off on determining zero before adding a turn. Not like me to miss the basic stuff, but I’ve had my moments.

I have a laser temp gun arriving tomorrow to determine if it’s just one cylinder and then I’ll back that one off. Otherwise, I think I’ll just start completely over and reset them all. At this point, I’ve spent more time talking about it than getting off my ass and doing something.

I’ll report back what I find. Thanks to all for the comments.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Hanging valve?
« on: January 13, 2020, 08:20:56 AM »
There's about .100-.125" of travel in a traditional, standard travel, hydraulic roller lifter.   I've seen some guys struggle with getting the pushrod lengths correct on short-travel lifters with non-adjustable rockers, but unless you really messed up on pushrod length measurement, I don't see it hanging a valve open when it's cold.

I know, that’s what I don’t get...and I have adjustable rockers! There should be no way that I got that much preload. It absolutely sounds like it though.
Listened to it again this morning and put my hand up to the exhaust. Sure enough, nice strong puff associated with the stumble. Once the temp is beyond 135, it purrs like a kitten...clean and smooth.
I was just looking for input on what I could be missing before I pull the covers.

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