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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve to piston clearance question
« on: December 06, 2023, 11:42:07 AM »
Thanks all for your very appreciated input! Regarding actual measurement, I'm familiar with the clay test but I recently read of a method where an assembled engine is simply checked with a feeler gauge set to desired clearance between valve stem & rocker tip. Then rotate the crank 2 revs. If there is no bind, all is well. Good method? BTW to round out the build description, Harland Sharp rockers/Smith Bros 3/8" push rods/Survival heads with 2.20 intakes/.030 over old school forged TRW pistons/Chet Herbert CG6PJ solid roller cam.

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FE Technical Forum / Valve to piston clearance question
« on: December 05, 2023, 05:31:25 PM »
How much clearance? Running a 428 CJ with solid roller & FElony heads. Won't be going over 6500 and only on occasion. I've read somewhere 0.080 for intakes and 0.125 for exhausts. Good numbers?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 28, 2020, 10:59:17 PM »
FElony, here is a PDF of the spreadsheet I made to record all of the engine parts weights. I have a 4spd top loader I could add if anyone is interested. Measurements were made with a pretty accurate digital scale (+-.5lbs) The forum won't allow me to upload a spreadsheet file. If you want it, email me and I'll send it.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 28, 2020, 10:40:51 AM »
I think I have a way to remember which way the pistons go in...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 28, 2020, 01:32:39 AM »
Well I guess I earned the Dumb Ass award.  :-[ I had the pistons in the block upside down. I can't believe I did that. Tom Gahman you were right. I won't make that mistake again (this month). And yes when I flipped the piston, I reversed the rods. Things now look a little better and now I can get down to checking real valve relief. Once that's done, it's clean up and assembly time. Sorry to waste everyone's time. FWIW I measured the valve centers on the FElony heads at 2.2125" and the factory CJ's at 2.1825. Only .030 difference. The iron heads weigh 97.5lbs and the FElony heads are 56lbs for the pair. With all of the aluminum I'm using, I've saved 129lbs on the long block. If anyone is interested, I have a spreadsheet of stock vs diet parts weights.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 27, 2020, 02:39:22 PM »
You mean the piston? Yep TDC.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 27, 2020, 12:41:15 PM »
Tommy, I think I'll try what you suggest just to confirm my "analysis". Maybe a little dykem blue might help  ;)

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 27, 2020, 12:37:47 PM »
Thanks all. Will check tonight. At work now... As for the clay method, I saw no point as the valves hit the pistons with heads in place with gaskets using check springs.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 27, 2020, 11:45:04 AM »
Yes the dowels are in place. You are right about the original heads. I'll try them. Will be interesting. I'll also try the 1.045" radius. Just thinking... if the valves are at different locations in the chamber, maybe the 2.09 valves wouldn't clear either. I thought I read somewhere that the FElony heads have different (wider) valve positions so that the larger valve will fit. I might have imagined that. I'll check with Barry.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Valve relief question
« on: April 27, 2020, 10:53:18 AM »
The heads are FElony. The tool used to find the valve centers is an old valve modified. See picture. Brent, I did exactly what you suggested. The arcs are what I got. Jay, I don't see how I could have made any errors. The "punch" was in the valve guide and the head bolted to the block. I will admit that just because I can't see an error doesn't mean one wasn't made. ;) Assuming my method is correct, it looks like I have two options: BIGGER notches or different pistons. I do have the original iron CJ heads but you know how it is when you want mo'power.  ;D This is the only thing holding up my engine build. This kind of machine work is beyond my ability at home. I suppose I could take the engine to a machinist but this looks like an involved/expensive task whit no assurance that such a big cut won't compromise the pistons.

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FE Technical Forum / Valve relief question
« on: April 26, 2020, 10:48:19 PM »
I'm stopped on my 428 engine build with a problem. The valves are too big for the piston notches. Way too big as my picture shows. I marked the piston top for the valve center and then set a divider to the radius of the valves. I hope you can see just how much of a problem I have. The intake valves are 2.2" and the exhausts are 1.712". Pistons are good old TRW forged from the 70's? This is a bit beyond my experience. I understand about cutting larger notches & I'm aware of the Isky tool. But this seems like lot. And the scratch arcs are the valve edges, not the extra clearance needed around the valves. It almost looks like I'd have to notch the cylinder around the intake valve.  :o Suggestions?

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